[donozark]

And the answer is, of course, they won't. Anymore than they got out of the airport. The propensity for Ukraine Generals to permit their units to be cutoff, surrounded, and exterminated is amazing.

Debaltseve is the Alamo. Or perhaps, a more modern example would be Poznan, 1945....

[PGR88]

The Ukraine was never a fully independent nation anyway, and its showing now.

It was a Russian colony whose character was damaged by marxism, and later became a kleptocracy. So cynicism abounds, and people are conflicted about who and what they are fighting for, and not willing to die for their “nation.”

IMHO