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The Great Debate - Iran’s leaders wonder who’s really in charge in U.S. They may be surprised.
Reuters ^ | 2/1/15 | Trita Parsi

Posted on 03/09/2015 1:28:53 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog

From the moment President Barack Obama took office, the Iranian government had its doubts about his administration. There were two schools of “doubt.” The first questioned his intentions. They believed his rhetoric and promises were just that — empty words. In deeds, the argument read, he was no different from his war-prone predecessor.

The other school doubted Obama’s abilities, not his intentions. Could an inexperienced, outsider president really shift America’s longstanding policy and attitude towards Iran? Was he even the real decision maker?

“I do not know who makes decisions for the United States, the president, the Congress, elements behind the scenes,” Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in 2009. By now, however, there should be less confusion in Tehran. Obama is on a roll.

Tehran’s doubts were not unfounded. What used to be perhaps an academic question, is today a very practical and pertinent one: The sanctions relief Obama is promising Iran in the nuclear talks are not his to lift. Obama has waiver rights, but only Congress can lift sanctions. Congressional opposition to a nuclear bargain with Iran has consequentially weakened Obama’s hand in the negotiations, rather than serve as a ‘Good cop, bad cop’ Jedi mind-trick that would compel Tehran to lower its demands.

It’s simple economics: Since the risk of dealing with a president that does not control the sanctions relief process is higher, the price Iran must ask for giving concessions must increase accordingly.

But the doubters in Tehran should take note. Some extraordinary changes to the political landscape in the United States have occurred that should prompt Iran to reevaluate Obama’s abilities.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: iran; obama; sanctions
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Trita Parsi connection - from September 2012 article, Western Journalism, "Court reveals Iranian operatives in charge of Obama’s Iran policy since 2009"

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/court-reveals-iranian-operatives-in-charge-of-obamas-iran-policy-since-2009/#SF0s83SzcbzA1e8V.99

"A ruling handed down on September 13th (2012) by the D.C. District Federal Court has finally made clear what many have known for years–that the Obama Administration’s Iran policy was initiated and advanced by a group with illicit, hidden ties to the Iranian Regime and financed by the U.S./Israel- hating George Soros.

In 2009, Barack Obama turned over virtually all responsibility and authority for foreign policy negotiations with Iran to Trita Parsi and his National Iranian American Council (NIAC). Founded by Parsi in 2003, the Washington-based NIAC is a powerful lobbying group that is “…widely considered the de facto lobby for the Iranian Regime in America.”

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/court-reveals-iranian-operatives-in-charge-of-obamas-iran-policy-since-2009/#SF0s83SzcbzA1e8V.99

1 posted on 03/09/2015 1:28:53 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog
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To: fivecatsandadog

Does Iran seems think the deal is in the bag?


2 posted on 03/09/2015 1:30:26 PM PDT by fivecatsandadog ("Islam is Islam. There are no modifiers. It's a political movement masquerading as a religion.")
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The power to ratify treaties lies exclusively with the Senate. That is until Obozo decides he has a pen to overwrite the Constitution.


3 posted on 03/09/2015 1:31:40 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: fivecatsandadog

There is no treaty unless and until the United States Senate approves by a 2/3 vote.

US Constitution.

Anyone in Teheran or at Reuters could, if they wished, look it up.


4 posted on 03/09/2015 1:34:51 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: fivecatsandadog

Does Iran seems think the deal is in the bag?

Well Obama is giving his Illegals everything ,so Iran will get what ever is left


5 posted on 03/09/2015 1:35:19 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: fivecatsandadog

ps:
Obama could sign ALL of his various names, including in Arabic, his native Kenyan language, his Indonesian language, and in Ferengi

he could also add all of his various stolen or fake social security numbers

it will still not be a treaty unless and until the UNITED STATES Senate gives a 2/3 approval.


6 posted on 03/09/2015 1:37:02 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: fivecatsandadog

Who is in charge?

Answer: The poisoned fruit of Iran, Valerie Jarrett.

Next question please.


7 posted on 03/09/2015 1:49:22 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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This would be the impeachable offense. Republicans should just sit back and let this play out. Throwing down the 2/3 majority in the Senate was a good poke in Obama’s eye, and he hates that.


8 posted on 03/09/2015 1:50:45 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Obama’s deceit on the Iran deal is he is not going to call it a treaty so therefore it does not require Senate ratification.


9 posted on 03/09/2015 1:50:51 PM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

My understanding is that technically, the Senate does not ratify a treaty. They vote to give the President the OK to ratify a treaty. I am not sure what the difference is but that is the actual process.


10 posted on 03/09/2015 1:50:51 PM PDT by bjc (Show me the data!)
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The President... shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur....

Article II, Section 2, Clause 2

How will President Obama and Iranian born Co-President Valerie Jarrett deal with this "obstruction" to their nuclear madness?

11 posted on 03/09/2015 1:54:26 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: bjc

The official language of the Constitution says the president can make treaties with the concurrence of 2/3 of the Senate. In other words without the Senate, it means nothing.


12 posted on 03/09/2015 1:55:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The power to ratify treaties lies exclusively with the Senate. That is until Obozo decides he has a pen to overwrite the Constitution.

Obama'll just threaten to close down the government and congress will sign whatever he sets in front of it.

13 posted on 03/09/2015 1:55:18 PM PDT by skeeter
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Oh, for a GOP leadership with a spine, guts, and balls...


14 posted on 03/09/2015 1:57:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (True followers of Christ emulate Christ. True followers of Mohammed emulate Mohammed.)
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To: bjc
Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2:

[The President] shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

15 posted on 03/09/2015 1:58:48 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: joshua c

in which event it has no force or effect as a treaty of the United States since it would not be a treaty of the United States without the 2/3 Senate approval.

(although while he is in the WHouse, he can say he is ‘honoring it’ ... just like the next person in the WHouse could, if he wishes, ‘honor a statue of Alfred E. Newman’)

But it doesn’t become a binding treaty of the United States until such time as it becomes a treaty (2/3 Senate approval) and this is why Obama is so ‘upset’ with the Senate for letting everyone know the obvious, that it does not intend to approve Obama giving Iran nuclear bombs and ICBMs (under any guise)


16 posted on 03/09/2015 1:58:55 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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Obama’s deceit on the Iran deal is he is not going to call it a treaty so therefore it does not require Senate ratification.

So it's like a "personal services contract?"

17 posted on 03/09/2015 2:00:12 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Obama’s pattern is to push and push and push and push anything that weakens America and our allies, or builds up the most dangerous type of IslamoNazi terror regimes (or Caliphate) anywhere and everywhere in the world.

This Iranian nuclear bomb and ICBM arsenal project... does both.

SO I predict (just my guess) that O will keep pushing it...
he has no way of knowing just how far he can get away with undermining USA until.... unless and until.... somebody eventually gives him some push-back

so he must figure....no push-back yet....so why not keep pushing!?


18 posted on 03/09/2015 2:01:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: fivecatsandadog

I think Republicans have this right where they need it to be. He can go agree to whatever he wants to with Iran, but it doesn’t bind our country in anyway. And when he is out of office in two years Iran may be out of luck.


19 posted on 03/09/2015 2:02:05 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: fivecatsandadog

Iran knows that its best deal by far is being handed to them, and they’d darned well better put it in that bag before Congress (or the next POTUS) takes it away.

They’re in danger of being the joke that ends “you’re on the 5th floor, there’s nothing here, you could have had everything you wanted but you got greedy.”


20 posted on 03/09/2015 2:11:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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