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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The article is very biased.

I oppose COS not because I’m reflexively defeatist but because it won’t work. You won’t get “liberty amendments” by a COS whose members are chosen by the left and GOPe. You’ll get liberal amendments.

And once that liberalism is written into the Constitution, the next step I fear will be a civil war.

There are ways to fight the federal monster short of allowing the left and GOP establishment alter our basic social contract. It’s time for states to just say no.

1. What will fedzilla do when multiple states simply say, “Make me.”

2. What would fedzilla do if a state mandated that all taxes, including withholding and SS/Medicare, be remitted to the state - and the state will decide what to forward to Washington?

3. What will fedzilla do when a state criminalizes the actions of agencies such as EPA and issues warrants for the arrest of agents violating state law by enforcing illegal federal standards?

There is quite a bit of pushback available short of a process that can only lead to the destruction of our social contract that will come with devastating results to the society built on that contract.

I don’t oppose COS because I’m a defeatist. I oppose it because letting people opposed to liberty choose delegates to a constitutional convention is a bad strategy that will lead to war. COS supporters discount a runaway convention as not possible.

I disagree with good reason: who’ll choose the delegates?


19 posted on 03/14/2015 12:10:50 PM PDT by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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Exhibit 1: who’ll choose COS delegates in good old conservative Texas?

Google Texas House Speaker Joe Strauss...


21 posted on 03/14/2015 12:13:33 PM PDT by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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To: ziravan

“...who’ll choose the delegates?...”
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State legislatures.


23 posted on 03/14/2015 12:21:46 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy, and he is us.)
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To: ziravan
I believe that the big push for an Article V convention is that conservatives believe that we have lost control over the federal government, but still have some control over the state governments.

When Republicans held the presidency conservatives generally approved of an "imperial president" presiding over a Democrat congress. Ever since the Democrats grabbed hold of the presidency, not so much.

Now that Republicans hold most of the state houses we are seeing arguments against the 17th Amendment, against the Supreme Court decision in Reynold vs. Sims., and calls in favor of secession.

It was thought that the Republicans supported conservatism in opposition to the liberal Democrats. Now it seems to be believed that state legislatures will be the army to fight for conservatism in opposition to federal politicians.

If most state legislatures truly are stalwart conservatives then we can trust them to take control during any Article V convention. If, however, they are not then we can't trust them in an Article V convention nor trust them to take tax dollars and control away from the feds.

At least with an Article V convention we wouldn't be asking the state legislatures to do anything that could be considered illegal.

40 posted on 03/14/2015 2:15:16 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ziravan
You wrote: "The article is very biased."

And I would reply, no more so that your response.

You imply that our COS movement includes leftists. You are either badly misinformed, or being deliberately disingenuous. There are several COS efforts out there, but ours is a "small government" project, completely separate and distinct from the Left's "big government" push. You would do well to set aside the JBS talking points, inform yourself and discover the difference.

You then ask three questions, all virtually the same, inquiring as to the federal government's likely response to individual state nullification actions. I am tempted to suggest that they are rhetorical, that you know as well as we all do what the fed's would do... but I will not take that chance and give you the benefit of the doubt. You may actually believe that the states, either individually or in concert with each other, might have a chance of success in such extremist pursuits.

The answer to all three is this: The Federal government will murder as many American citizens as it takes to quell any illegal, extra-constitutional attack on its sovereignty, and we have our own history as precedent.

I believe you when you say that you don't oppose the Citizens for Self-Governance Convention of States Project because you are a defeatist. Frankly, I suspect that you oppose it out of ignorance... and I use the word in its least pejorative sense.

Your claims clearly demonsrtate to me and to everyone familiar with The Project that you have not read anything other than the lies promulgated by the John Birch Society.

Do yourself and the nation a favor... check out Convention Of States.com... then get on board. We love Patriots with Passion!

46 posted on 03/14/2015 6:56:53 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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