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BRITISH BREAK INTO NORTH GERMAN PLAIN; REICH ARMY WHIPPED, SAYS EISENHOWER (3/28/45)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 3/28/45 | Drew Middleton, C.L. Sulzberger, Milton Bracker, Bruce Rae, Lindesay Parrott, Sidney M. Shalett

Posted on 03/28/2015 4:14:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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To: PapaNew; henkster
Another perspective I've been mulling is the practical.

Patton commands a great tank army. The vast majority of that army is mounted on Shermans. The German army is disintegrating before him and he knows the war in Europe will soon be over. Why should Patton launch into an academic critique and comparison of the Sherman v. the Pershing v. the Tiger & Panther? There isn't a darn thing Patton or his tankers can do about the Sherman, is there? This debate was started and aborted during the Normandy campaign during which McNair and his allies squashed any quick fix of the tank problem. Patton knows the Pershings will arrive in such small quantities as to have no bearing on the outcome of the war. Criticisms of the Sherman will just depress morale on the last great push of the war. Why would any responsible commander engage in this debate at this stage of the war? Openly saying the Sherman is inferior would hurt morale among his tankers and among the infantry and artillery who depend upon them.

Besides, as noted in these threads, American tankers have adapted to tactics that effectively compensate for the Sherman's weaknesses.

Better to debate these issues after the war in Europe is over.

41 posted on 03/30/2015 3:58:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

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42 posted on 03/30/2015 4:03:01 PM PDT by GeronL
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That makes sense.

And yet, Patton was so outspoken and nobody usually had to guess where Patton stood on an issue. Seems like if he didn’t like the Shermans he would have probably been speaking up in Africa or Sicily at the beginning of things or we would have some record of his thoughts and feelings in the lull between Sicily and Normandy.

His rationale for supporting the Sherman seemed pretty solid to me - like a very practical review by a seasoned veteran.


43 posted on 03/30/2015 4:10:29 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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Patton was very outspoken, but he never ran down the troops (well, we'll just set aside the issue of those he regarded as malingerers) or their equipment. Think of "The Speech." He had the best troops in the world and they had the best equipment, support and chow.

The man was a leader, first and foremost.

44 posted on 03/30/2015 5:40:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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I'm thinking Patton, being a keen student of history, had an eye toward posterity when he made these comments. He wants to "set the record straight" that our tanks, and maybe more importantly his role in selecting and using those tanks, was justified in the judgment of history.
45 posted on 03/30/2015 6:17:08 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: henkster; colorado tanker

Patton has a role in designing or selecting the Shermans? I didn’t know that, but it lends more credence in my mind to their worth because Patton knew tank warfare better than just about anyone else.

But Patton also comes across to me like a guy that, if he screwed up, for example, if he realized he was wrong about the Shermans, he would have said so early on. One of the greatest assets of successful people like Patton is they will figure out what’s wrong and take steps to correct it regardless of whose decision it was. They’re not afraid to say, “I was wrong” not because others are shouting it, but because they themselves have come to that conclusion. They are able to evaluate theirs and others’ performance objectively because they have such a passion for what they are doing. These are a rare breed.

Reagan was like that except Reagan had a major character advantage over Patton in that Reagan truly believed the words on the plaque that sat on his desk in the Oval Office: “There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit”.


46 posted on 03/31/2015 10:16:47 AM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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Patton has a role in designing or selecting the Shermans?

I have seen articles suggesting Patton killed early production of the Pershing because he favored the Sherman. I'm not sure whether such historical theories have withstood scrutiny. But Patton was part of the American armored doctrine brain trust that decided the Sherman was going to be our tank to produce and use in great quantity. As part of that team, he may have felt a personal responsibility to defend the corporate decision.

47 posted on 03/31/2015 11:09:42 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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