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As a conservative thinker and also a Vietnam Vet, I always take the NYSLIMES with a grain of salt.

My heart goes out to all of our Troops who fought in the "Sandbox".

My guts and experience tell me that all war time Vets experience some sort of war related trauma, I guess some are stronger psychologically than others.

I would like to hear the opinions of other War Vets and FReepers.

1 posted on 04/01/2015 8:38:30 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Of course there is a link. This must have been assembled by someone who doesn’t believe we even need a military, let alone, start showing compassion to the enlisted men.


2 posted on 04/01/2015 8:40:31 PM PDT by lee martell (The sa)
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To: PROCON; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty ping.


5 posted on 04/01/2015 8:49:36 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: PROCON
"Peace is Hell?"

"I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life.
I am prepared to give my life in their defense."

7 posted on 04/01/2015 8:56:48 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in Battle!)
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To: PROCON

I’m guessing the same people would also find no link between multiple deployments and divorce rates, either.


8 posted on 04/01/2015 9:04:55 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: PROCON
I don't trust the Slimes any further than I can throw their building.

God bless our vets. I was at a VA today, and you can bet I didn't get all judgemental about those guys. Every story is different, and I don't know enough to be judgemental. I ain't God.

Above my pay-grade.

/johnny

9 posted on 04/01/2015 9:05:55 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: PROCON

Study shows that we can prove anything with studies.


10 posted on 04/01/2015 9:08:38 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: PROCON

Actually this JAMA study being published in the NYTimes is good news, good news for the men and women of our armed forces, and good news because it goes AGAINST the leftist/NYTimes narrative that military men are damaged goods.


11 posted on 04/01/2015 9:19:30 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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A very small percentage of all members of the military actually do routine combat patrols in enemy areas (advance/flank and beyond) or are even trained much to do so. Enlisted rank infantry and infantry-attached men have much higher suicide rates during their more difficult initial training (total control for the duration of initial training, necessarily more physical training, mental training, etc.), more difficult efforts in the civilian world afterwards, trying to get and keep civilian jobs in a social environment of prevailing social attitudes against men, more difficult times with girlfriends/spouses (previous absences allowing other relationships, social, economic,...) and so on.


12 posted on 04/01/2015 9:21:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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found no connection between suicide and deployment overseas in support of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...... “As the wars went on, the suicide rates also went up and it was very tempting to assume deployments must be the reason,..."

Psychiatrists are crazy

How about doing a study on the increase of suicides after they got a new CIC - who immediately imposed the murderous and traitorous ROE - that resulted in our troops KIA doubleling then TRIPLING in combat as a direct result...and many instances where he turned on our troops and it became evident that he was on the other side....

And how about a study on the abandonment of our vets when they came home - of not being able to get either medical help or their pensions or disability hearings - leaving them jobless, homeless -

I SPIT on the traitor in DC

13 posted on 04/01/2015 9:28:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits ye shall know them.)
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Sorry, but common sense rules here and the this article is bullshit!


16 posted on 04/01/2015 9:41:39 PM PDT by Deagle (ui)
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In the 60's my drill sergeants told us shoot first and ask questions later. We had a clear enemy, communists. Now we send our youth to war with rules of engagement that make no sense, occupy and rebuild countries filled with people who despise us, and offer no end to the tour of duties we expect. I can see a demoralizing effect here that could take its toll on our youth.

War should be clear and simple. You attack us, and we sink your navy, blast your air power, crush your armor, and then air drop small arms to your dissidents. You can sort out your differences and rebuild your society without us.

17 posted on 04/01/2015 9:49:21 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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The reason suicides went up is because gays were having unrequited, solo imaginary love affairs and could not live without returned affection from their fox hole buddies.

Remember.....you read it here.


23 posted on 04/02/2015 6:16:07 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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Today’s new thread, no respect, and feeling (being) betrayed is why I believe the suicide rate has risen.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-sir-i-will-not-obey-order

The purge of honorable conservative officers, lack of data from the earlier wars, especially the congruency in Rules of Engagement with Nam, omitting suicide attempts, and so many other factors make this study very exclusive. The one finding that those who served less than 4 years causing suicide rates to skyrocket among the “boots” (just out of boot camp) who are relieved of duty is the only jewel this study revealed. One article I found last night highlighted the great discrepancy between benefits to illegal immigrants and those volunteers.


24 posted on 04/02/2015 10:48:28 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: PROCON

If you want to know if combat increases suicide rates then you have to compare combat arms MOS’s with other MOS’s.


25 posted on 04/02/2015 10:53:18 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (E)
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Every war has seen a burst of suicides among recently returned veterans. Generally the rate declines to baseline after a year or two. A risk factor is direct involvement in combat. A protective factor is having a strong social support system before and after deployment.
29 posted on 04/02/2015 1:57:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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