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To: Zenjitsuman

This is what leaves me, and probably others, scratching their heads: If Israel is not a party to the negotiations, how does the leadership feel so comfortable demanding—to the world—what must be in the agreement for them to “accept” it?

This, IMHO, is what turns Western leaders away from Israel, particularly away from Netanyahu. There is a hubris in this that is just tiresome. Truly tiresome.

Are there any diplomats in Israel? Anyone who can make an important point without alienating most of Western leadership? If there is, it is way past time to stand and be heard.

Thanks.


16 posted on 04/03/2015 1:06:40 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Why do you seek regime change in Israel?

Try moving Bambi out as USA “leader”.


17 posted on 04/03/2015 2:03:00 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Tiresome? You get tired listening to the Israelis defend themselves? What part of “destruction of Israel” is hard for you to understand. If two of your neighbors were discussing burning down your house I betcha you would exercise some hubris and try to get into the conversation. No? Just let ‘em burn it?


21 posted on 04/03/2015 3:45:48 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Israel is tired too.

Sitting peacefully and minding its own business, its been attacked 7 seven times since 1948.

The Jordanians got 72% of the land. There are 20 other Arab countries. Can’t the people of the Bible settle on their own land and live in peace. Oh no , Muslims must own it all, kill all the infidels like they Kill Copts, and others that ain’t Muslims.

Blame the tiniest country and its small population?

So why is Syria, Yemen, Jordan, Iraq, Libya, India, Afghanistan deep in wars, is it the Israelis?

No Israeli is involved anywhere in this, in fact Mazen and Arafat both turned down 95% of what they asked for, they rejected peace, because they won’t recognize the Jews right to exist. That is Hubris.


28 posted on 04/03/2015 4:37:47 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Bibi's full statement might help you to get it...you seem to want a full surrender by Israel, not gonna happen and glad of it. As to them not being a party to the negotiations, did Jonny boy invite Netanyahu to the table, if so I missed it. Benjamin Netanyahu - בנימין נתניהו I just came from a meeting of the Israeli cabinet. We discussed the proposed framework for a deal with Iran. The cabinet is united in strongly opposing the proposed deal. This deal would pose a grave danger to the region and to the world and would threaten the very survival of the State of Israel. The deal would not shut down a single nuclear facility in Iran, would not destroy a single centrifuge in Iran and will not stop R&D on Iran's advanced centrifuges. On the contrary. The deal would legitimize Iran's illegal nuclear program. It would leave Iran with a vast nuclear infrastructure. A vast nuclear infrastructure remains in place. The deal would lift sanctions almost immediately and this at the very time that Iran is stepping up its aggression and terror in the region and beyond the region. In a few years, the deal would remove the restrictions on Iran's nuclear program, enabling Iran to have a massive enrichment capacity that it could use to produce many nuclear bombs within a matter of months. The deal would greatly bolster Iran's economy. It would give Iran thereby tremendous means to propel its aggression and terrorism throughout the Middle East. Such a deal does not block Iran's path to the bomb. Such a deal paves Iran's path to the bomb. And it might very well spark a nuclear arms race throughout the Middle East and it would greatly increase the risks of terrible war. Now, some say that the only alternative to this bad deal is war. That's not true. There is a third alternative – standing firm, increasing the pressure on Iran until a good deal is achieved. And finally let me say one more thing. Iran is a regime that openly calls for Israel's destruction and openly and actively works towards that end. Just two days ago, in the midst of the negotiations in Lausanne, the commander of the Basij security forces in Iran said this: "The destruction of Israel is non-negotiable." Well, I want to make clear to all. The survival of Israel is non-negotiable. Israel will not accept an agreement which allows a country that vows to annihilate us to develop nuclear weapons, period. In addition, Israel demands that any final agreement with Iran will include a clear and unambiguous Iranian recognition of Israel's right to exist.
32 posted on 04/03/2015 7:14:51 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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