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Solar power will soon be as cheap as coal (Wind power has already reached grid parity)
ensia.com ^ | 4.15.15 | Phil McKenna

Posted on 04/18/2015 7:10:33 AM PDT by ckilmer

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sez grid parity for solar in 2 years. grid parity right now for wind
1 posted on 04/18/2015 7:10:33 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

I’ve heard this before.


2 posted on 04/18/2015 7:11:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Victim" -- some people eagerly take on the label because of the many advantages that come with it.)
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To: ckilmer

So this guy is lobbying Congress to remove all those federal subsidies that are just giving wind and solar a bad name? I must have missed that in the article.


3 posted on 04/18/2015 7:13:38 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: ckilmer

I don’t mind considering alternative power sources but just like cars, if it cannot match what I have now you can keep it.


4 posted on 04/18/2015 7:14:49 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: ckilmer
Wind power is expensive because it requires two sources of power a primary and a backup fossil fuel plant for when the wind is not blowing. Really expensive.
5 posted on 04/18/2015 7:15:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ckilmer

He’s correct with regard to wind - AT UTILITY SCALE. In other words, large wind farms with high hub heights and large turbines are cost-effective with other forms of generation today WITHOUT subsidies. The PTC expired last year and has not been renewed for those in Rio Lindo, and the wind industry is going along just fine without them, as they know the subsidy isn’t necessary but who turns down free money?

Small wind, e.g. little turbines at houses and farms are not and never will be able to achieve cost parity. They can still be useful, but just always more expensive. Same with small solar.

It remains to be seen whether technology advances as he describes can bring cost parity to utility scale solar. Even so, it will always likely be a niche form of generation.

Do bear in mind that all forms of electrical power generation are subsidized by the federal gov’t in some way or another, as well as regulated.


6 posted on 04/18/2015 7:16:16 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: ckilmer

There is no solar power when it’s dark and there is no windmill power when the wind is calm. For either of these technologies to be successful, you need a way to store excess power for those times when insufficient power is being generated.


7 posted on 04/18/2015 7:16:26 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: bigbob

Backing up what I said with facts:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/10/23/the-ptc-is-no-longer-needed-to-support-the-wind-industry/


8 posted on 04/18/2015 7:19:09 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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Solar just might make sense *today* in parts of the Middle East,Australia and even the US.If the technology advances it might make sense *everywhere* one day.But does it make sense in Vermont,Britain,Siberia or Tennessee *today*?
9 posted on 04/18/2015 7:19:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama;A Low Grade Intellect With Even Lower Morals)
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To: ckilmer

The article is your typical trade magazine puff piece. No different than the ones I read in my own industry. The trade magazine, where everything is fantastic, where nothing is garbage. Like someone said, if it is all soo great, than I guess we can eliminate all the government giveaways. As for the electric car, my test is, can I drive from NYC to Tampa in less than 24 hours. If I cannot, than I am not interested.


10 posted on 04/18/2015 7:21:05 AM PDT by gusty
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To: AlaskaErik

In most areas where wind speeds are tracked in detail, the wind generally increases at night, making winds and solar mildly complementary.


11 posted on 04/18/2015 7:22:07 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: ckilmer
singularity by 2020.

so, whatevah.

12 posted on 04/18/2015 7:23:14 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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Bingo-and that`s what kills the renewable sources every time. But they never seem to crunch those numbers, do they?
13 posted on 04/18/2015 7:23:47 AM PDT by nomad
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To: central_va
I have a small solar power systems for emergencies. It runs my emergency ham radio station and a few lights and a fan. And a computer and internet router. I suppose I have that so I can update if power goes out. It runs my stuff most of the night. Unless I get sunlight, I'm stuck in the water without a paddle. Sure, it's great while the sun shines, and for a 24 hour period without sun, but I have a regular generator to recharge the battery after voltage dips below 12.

And that's a small emergency system without any fancy distribution.

Pricey, but I like to watch the weather here.

/johnny

14 posted on 04/18/2015 7:24:46 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: ckilmer

Same prediction was made nearly every year for the last 20 years.

Until one is build and is able to prove this through the numbers, I think this is fantasy land.

They always talk peak efficiency, not average efficiency, because the sun doesn’t shine in the night and the wind doesn’t blow all the time. This always cuts their numbers in half right off the bat, if not more.


15 posted on 04/18/2015 7:29:52 AM PDT by dila813
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To: ckilmer

Yeah...well...you can always us a kitchen knife as a screwdriver, too, but very few mechanics have one in their toolbox.


16 posted on 04/18/2015 7:31:27 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: bigbob

You do realize that these are still under subsidy?, that they get the biggest subsidy from the rate payers because they sell power in at the consumer grid rate without having to pay for the grid itself?

All conventional power sources pay through a lower price, they don’t get consumer grid rates.

If they had to wholesale their power, they would go out of business tomorrow.


17 posted on 04/18/2015 7:33:35 AM PDT by dila813
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To: ckilmer

Nuclear power will be too cheap monitor. Free!


18 posted on 04/18/2015 7:33:58 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Ten years from now.....”

But, but, in ten years, we’ll have fusion generating plants, won’t we?


19 posted on 04/18/2015 7:34:43 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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20 posted on 04/18/2015 7:36:53 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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