[Steve_Seattle]

"Francis is the Catholic Church’s Obama IMO."

No, it was Pope John XXIII, who convened Vatican II, which was the beginning of the church's rapid demise.

[terycarl]

No, it was Pope John XXIII, who convened Vatican II, which was the beginning of the church's rapid demise.

Many things from Vatican II were either misinterpreted or just plain misused...once it is straightened out, it will be O.K....and the church is not in a state of demise...good grief, she is 2,015 years old and these little glitches have happened more that once, and she comes out of them just fine...Christ promised good results and that He would be with her until the end of time....so far, so good.....