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Swing Vote Justice Kennedy 'Not Persuaded' by LGBT Arguments at Supreme Court Hearing
Christian Post ^ | 04/29/2015 | Samuel Smith

Posted on 04/29/2015 7:48:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Blood of Tyrants
Here is a question: If the SC rules in favor of traditional marriage, does that reverse all the decisions by liberal federal judges who overturned MANY states’ laws banning gay marriage? I would think so.

I would think so too, but I won't be holding my breath. I've noticed that the courts often like to play "Calvin Ball" when it suits them.


21 posted on 04/29/2015 8:04:42 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: SeekAndFind

Children have a God-given right to be raised by their natural parents.

Same-sex “marriage” denies a child the right to be raised by at least one of his parents.

Same-sex “marriage” is structurally unjust, and this grave injustice should not be upheld by force of law.


22 posted on 04/29/2015 8:05:10 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SeekAndFind
that the likely swing vote justice, Anthony Kennedy, was "not persuaded" by LGBT arguments.

I've read elsewhere that Kennedy was making up his own LGBT arguments.

It took Rome a lot longer to fall than it's taken us.

23 posted on 04/29/2015 8:06:26 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: SeekAndFind

However, I doubt the court is going to overturn the coordinated efforts of all these federal judges. That would be akin to a counter revolution. All those marriage licenses were issued, all those Fudgies start getting bennies, all that will be taken away?


24 posted on 04/29/2015 8:07:06 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I will be shocked if Justice Kennedy doesn’t vote to create “Gay” marriage.

The reason "sads" (not gays) are so angry is that they know in their heart-of-hearts that they were born mildly defective and, rather than just accept that fact and getting on with life, they wish to validate their denial of their deformity by using feral government thugs to force normal people to pretend to legitimize their abnormal sexual orientation. The behavior is much like a three year old throwing a screaming fit. Sads (or sods, short for sodomites as some might call them) are in pain for being genetic dead ends upon whom nature has played a cruel trick.

And like the three year old, their lashing out behavior is not to be tolerated, but that does not mean that they are to be hated. Take pity on their pain-filled souls. Many, many sods are perfectly adjusted, functional people who are not lugging around large shoulder chips.

25 posted on 04/29/2015 8:07:25 AM PDT by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Some states have had a ballot vote against Homo marriage that was overturned by subsequent judicial action. I think Californis for one and possibly Florida for another.

Does any FREEPER here with a legal background have insight as to the effect of a SCOTUS decision to support the man-woman only marriage on those judicial actions?

Would they be overturned and the winning ballot position be reaffirmed?


26 posted on 04/29/2015 8:10:42 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Oh, yeah. A voluntary internal aWe may be paranoid but that doesn't mean they aren't really after us)
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To: SeekAndFind

I actually think Alito may have been the one to ask the critical question, about whether religious schools that failed to recognize same-sex marriages would lose their tax exemptions.

Iirc the Catholic Parochial schools are the largest category of religious schools in the country. I don’t think it’ll be lost on either Kennedy or Roberts (the other potential swing vote) that Vitelli saying they would lose their statuses would really mess up the Catholic schools.


27 posted on 04/29/2015 8:13:53 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That’s what I think is missing from everyone’s calculations. If it does, that would create chaos. Kennedy doesn’t give a rip-roaring-rip about the constitution. He’s fully in tune with the Zeitgeist and will decide based on that. For Kennedy, there would have to be a very compelling, extra-constitutional argument for razing the superstructure the Sodomites, Marxists, and traitors have worked so hard building over the last few years.


28 posted on 04/29/2015 8:16:05 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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29 posted on 04/29/2015 8:20:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Iron Munro

My legal background is academic in nature from polsci major classes, but it depends on how the Court rules.

For instance, they can uphold the lower court ruling, which would end new same sex marriage in jurisdictions where it only exists by Federal judicial ruling, but also leave marriages that have taken place in-tact.

Similar to how they could end Obamacare subsidies, but also provide for a “transition period” where they’d still be allowed.

This seems to be part of the “middle ground” Alito was fishing around for yesterday.


30 posted on 04/29/2015 8:21:54 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Six members of SCOTUS are Catholic or at least claim to be.


31 posted on 04/29/2015 8:23:55 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I will be shocked if this court does NOT side with the Gaystapo...

After the Obamacare ruling I see no sanity in this bunch...

32 posted on 04/29/2015 8:24:36 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Iron Munro
Would they be overturned and the winning ballot position be reaffirmed?

A Supreme Court decision in favor of the states would, presumably, overturn all of the decisions of Federal courts that had overturned the state laws against same-sex marriage (and thus re-instating those state laws).

The messy question for the courts would be how to handle those same-sex couples that got married in the period between when one court struck down the prohibition and when the Supreme Court reinstated it.

33 posted on 04/29/2015 8:25:51 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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The fed courts overturned state law after state law regarding traditional marriage. The fed courts have apparently decided that the states have to bow down to the feds, and appease the perverse whims of less than 2% of the population, at the expense of the other 98%, in contradiction of millenia of common law, consequences be damned.

If that is the side of history that the SCOTUS want’s to come down on, so be it. It’s their decision, so let them live with it. Also, let them try to enforce it without causing bloodshed and rebellion.


34 posted on 04/29/2015 8:26:07 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Exactly.

I think Vitelli messed up in acknowleging that like he did. Even though he was being truthful.

It opened the door to the Justices considering the issue of whether there’s also a conscience exeption to accepting same-sex marriage as legitimate on religious grounds. Under the auspices of private religious schools losing their tax exemptions. Most of which are Catholic.


35 posted on 04/29/2015 8:30:05 AM PDT by tanknetter
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I think this is a lost cause. The Conservative states should begin the process of getting out of the Marriage Business and leave it up to the Church...


36 posted on 04/29/2015 8:32:37 AM PDT by martinidon
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Homosexuals are 1.7% of the American population, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation
yet they consume about half our oxygen.

I’m sick of them and their constant demands.


37 posted on 04/29/2015 8:35:11 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: cincinnati65

No

They have not recused

It’s yet another silly FR rumour so far


38 posted on 04/29/2015 8:35:57 AM PDT by wardaddy (Dems hate western civilization and GOP are cowards...We are headed to a dark place)
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To: martinidon

It’s not that simple

Just look at the florists and wedding cake folks who can be forced

And insurance benicifiaries issues

And loads of other conundrums

Even if left to states....

Making marriage just a church blessing won’t fix this

It’s been a civil construct since hunter gatherer days

For inheritance and legitimacy sake


39 posted on 04/29/2015 8:39:58 AM PDT by wardaddy (Dems hate western civilization and GOP are cowards...We are headed to a dark place)
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To: tumblindice

Maybe as high as 3.5% once you count the switch hitters or, as a crude friend of mine would put it, those who will screw anything with a hole.


40 posted on 04/29/2015 8:52:43 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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