Police Abduct 10 Children From A Family In Kentucky Because Of Their ‘Off The Grid’ Lifestyle

End of the American Dream ^ | May 8th, 2015 | Michael Snyder

[wintertime]

I see flowers on the table.

[caww]

[caww]

Yep...I have some real problems as i find more information on this family....did you see the business she opened in Marcch...it’s as modern and beautiful as an new business opening...it’s for grooming animals...I wrote some other info backthread....there’s a scam playing out IMO as the husband got his friend to put up the gofundme sites....she has one as well...and his friend has faked a company saying they’re paying for her business...it’s pretty phony as he claims she’s their first client...so this is smelling pretty bad IMO.

Someone attempted to flush him out and he’s tripping all over himself....

[caww]

What a scam this is.... this “family friend” Pace Ellsworth claims to be their contact and the owner of CApistan which is funding her new business they began in March....but this couple is his ONLY client and First....he’s some kind of bitcom guy....check out how much money they want...imagine they’ve already grabbed onto 35 grand and growing....

LOL...this is what they want people to give....as I said back thread..this is to garner money so they can finish their new business they began in march and build their place...and looks like people are honing in and will get this for them...what a scam...

$25,000 - Physical materials and upgrades including labor costs to the home including a fence, finishing a new primary living structure, and permanent solutions for clean water and electricity.

$3,000 - Purchase of laptops or phones and other technology aids and a reading library of age-appropriate books for their children.

$15,000 - Purchase of a newer, more reliable 15-passenger van for family transportation.

$2,000 - Possible unforeseen expenses related to the children being kept in the home such as the cost of travel to fight this and time off work from Nicole’s pet grooming business.

http://www.gofundme.com/tz4xng

[wardaddy]

I’ve seen similar in southwest Oregon

[erlayman]

These photos don’t look anything like Grapes of Wrath/Great Depression kids in despair and grinding poverty, barely hanging on to life. It wouldn’t be surprising after all that has come out if they were indeed staying with friends or in a more physically secured location.

[wardaddy]

I’m ambiguous about this but I would point out one issue that strikes me as quite odd and anyone here owns land will see it too

Your letter on that post detailing incriminations against the family states the Deputies noticed a pond on the 26 acres and were disturbed there was no fence around it to protect the children

Well I own land....a fair amount at times ....with ponds

And never ever has anyone insisted I fence a pond for child protection

That’s nuts....

I’m 100 yards from one right now....on 10 acres and my home and barns and pond unfenced for good reason

My horses would be pissed if I fenced their drinking hole

And I got five kids

Is it legal to take kids who live in squalor

Well hell they should head up to the slums near downtown Louisville and they can round up 1000s

Next innuendo will be to Koresh the man with whispers of child abuse

Works like a charm

The only pause I have is this is Kentucky so I’m inclined to not reckon the cops were without reason

Then again its 2015 not the same as my youth when cops were cooler

[Sherman Logan]

It is entirely possible to live under camping-type conditions in even the worst weather. I’ve done it and of course so did the Indians and other groups.

But it requires the right equipment, clothing and attention to detail.

[caww]

This is the shyster Pace Ellsworth who is running the go fund me site for Nickole and her husband.... and represents the 'bogus' company 'Capistan' alledged to suddenly be funding Nichole's remodeled Grooming Business business., which was bought and remodeled in March (Pictures are back thread)

They are all Mormons or have been affiliated with Mormon businesses that haven't materialized into anything but 'websites' claiming themselves as Directors etc..at least this Ellsworth does. Like them he's all over the net with various sites. ...the go fund site was done 'by Joe Naugler' the kids father and husband to Nichole Naugler..significant that this was put up last Thursday May 7th 2015...not wasting any time?

Here's the front Pet Store Business...very nice remodleing done inside..(back thread)

Here is the web site showing some of the early renovations on the 5 room business since March 2015

http://blessedlittlegroomingcompany.com/amazing-salon-makeover/

[caww]

I honestly don’t care how they are living...this is a scam and read further to see as I try and pull the rest of this ploy together...even the sheriff scenes were deliberately made by Nichole to play into this...note that it was she that left her phone on...contacted her husband to say it was a go...these are smart cookies playing this game...most crooks are..but not that smart...

I continue to run across other people saying this is a fraud..to not give to this fund because it is just “another” scam as they’ve done before.

I’d like to believe I’m wrong...but I don’t think so...toomuch is coming together that doesn’t rhymn with their story...

First I found it strange she not only taped this encounter with the sheriff...but that ONLY the two older children were there...which likely are aware of this scam. The others were with her husband. Nice timing .....also that no matter how the officer spoke with her she was intent on being defensive...loudly so...

there are other issues i have with this...am continuing to look deeeper...but Ol Ellsworth is too Bogus with his company .

[caww]

I’m on this story WArdaddy...it’s a scam...this ccouple and so far one other fellow have staged this entire thing...purposely...read more of the thread...I’ve already posted the beautiful business they’ve been remodeling...

the go fund put up by the husband...and run by this bogus Ellsworth...well I’ve already posted about that...

enough these are the demands they want for the funding...which amounts to finishing their business...new home. new van new technology...new library for their kids.

In other words they set this up to generate funds for their businesses...and to expand them.

[caww]

Here's their rented home July 2011

[wardaddy]

Thats awful

[caww]

Well I’m still not convinced all this is above board....the family does believe that people in need need to help those who need help...they do not believe in Welfare nor Government paying for anything in their life.

I have no doubt the mother and father are loving parents to their kids....and likely better then most today. Even so there’s issues they have not come clear on and seem to go way out there in what they believe about life...and it’s more than just living off the grid.

I have a problem with this gofundme thing going on..as well as the recent issue with the father and their neighbor....I do believe that this families hatred for government plays into the heated confrontations they have had now and in the past.

They did belong to the Mormon Church for a time..I haven’t yet discovered why they were kicked out....but they are no longer a part of it much if at all.

Guess we can really only wait and see how this plays out...but she is definatly one who is not going to co-operate with authorites unless they give her what she wants...she is definatly aware of her rights even though she misplaces these at times.

Whatever this comes to...the family IMO..makes it harder for themselves then needs to be and their judgement gets clouded over their intense hatred for government.

[erlayman]

The state could have investigated this family for educational neglect in addition to a myriad of suspected crimes perhaps ??

[caww]

Still doing more work on this...I do think ‘they believe’ what they are doing is the right thing....they are unfortunately going about it the wrong way.

Mormon teaching, as she writes on her blog, seems to have been the perfect church because of their dogma on self sufficinecy...but she also believes people should help when it’s needed and not the government.

So her husband put up the sites for funding..and there are more than one....I’m not sure how this Ellworth guy really plays into this...except his company is bogus in that he has no clients except this family and only this week created the company......

so the money flow will be perfectly acceptable to them since they think people should help them build their house, help them finish their businesses and expand them and buy new electronics and a van for their family.

Odd people really.

[caww]

I think the biggest problem anyone has is if the father did indeed threaten a neighbor with violence while trying to steal water while involving his child. Which apparently he did do that.

I don’t think anyone cares much if they live in a shack or tent, but if you want clean water, you get it installed, you don’t steal it and you don’t threaten your neighbor with violence. ....That is the reason the cops and CFS was called.

If you can’t work hard for your free range lifestyle with out help from churches or friends or family—you are doing it wrong.

[trebb]

Saw pictures on the Daily Mail. Disgusting living conditions.

From where and how I live, there are a whole bunch of disgusting living conditions going on - ever see government subsidized housing areas? Without a health department certification (fair vs. free wrapping to allow kidnapping the kids) of dangerous conditions, your offense as a reason to allow such actions is a slap against the Constitution. There is no "Noble Cause" clause and there is no "Cater to the prissy sensibilities of others" clause.

[SkyDancer]

That Cabrini-Green mess in Chicago was a good example. Built for low income people, gangs and drug dealers moved in and made a mess of it, got torn down eventually. Calling it a pig sty was actually a complement.

[Marcella]

“When we’re forced to go off grid, will you advocate the government take everyone’s kids away? Most people on the planet live like this, should they have their kids taken away?”

Living off the grid on purpose takes planning to provide pure water and proper cleaning and heat for winter and medical supplies, etc. These two parents have put their children in danger, on purpose. They don’t even have pure water without getting it from someone else. With that many people needing/using water, the father can’t get that much there plus has to get water from neighbors. For that reason alone, those children need to be removed.

You say, “when we are forced to live off the grid”. That is entirely different as these parents have a choice. One can live off the grid and have sanitation and what is required to live, but these parents aren’t doing that. They choose to live in squalor, therefore, the children deserve a change to live and should be removed.

If the entire grid went down, no one has a choice. Millions would die within a month, or two if they are lucky.

I’m prepared to live off the grid and have a safe standard of living and it took planning to put that together. These parents have almost nothing to provide a safe place to live for these children.

You say most people on the planet live this way. We can’t save the world but this country is a Christian country and we can save children from this dangerous circumstance.

I was a counselor/psychological examiner at schools and all mental health workers have to abide by a law that says if we find a child is in danger, we MUST contact officials to save that child. If I knew about these parents and situation, I would be required to go to officials, and I would.