Now if you are talking about a random citizen just minding his own business out there on the street, snatched up and detained with little prior reason for this action, threatening life and limb may not be justified.
But catching someone in the commission of a crime, or to whom the commission of a crime can be strongly linked, THEN applying some forceful methods to gain their compliance and the real facts of the matter are an altogether different strategy.
A very strong police presence is one of the marks of an entrenched tyranny, as this sort of search and seizure without probable cause is not likely to be questioned.
There is a balance between strong police presence, and sound policing procedure, that has to be observed, else it tips either into anarchy or despotism, either too little order, or too much.
“But catching someone in the commission of a crime, or to whom the commission of a crime can be strongly linked, THEN applying some forceful methods to gain their compliance and the real facts of the matter are an altogether different strategy.”
Well, you’ll never get a cop to admit he just stopped a random person breaking no laws just because he felt they were suspicious, then proceed to disregard their civil rights.
With police, a sideline glance at a child becomes ‘predatory’, a lingering gaze at an officers face becomes ‘menacing’. Clench your buttocks and they perform cavity searches. Record them from across the street and you’re ‘interfering’ with police. Question them or exercise your rights and you’re ‘resisting’ arrest. Flinch in pain when they grab you and you ‘assaulted’ them.
All those benefits of doubt you want to give police, I do to. But only when they’re conducting themselves professional as police, not as paramilitary police.
Wait-— so if somebody is minding their own business and is arbitrarily abducted and assaulted this “may” not be justified? So maybe yes, maybe no?
And if you catch them committing a crime you can assault, threaten to kill or torture? So, when a cop puts a gun in a suspects mouth that is just a noble pursuit of truth?
Egads man, you’re setting a low bar