Posted on 05/23/2015 9:22:02 AM PDT by RightGeek
Jeff Sessions (our ONE reliable constitutional conservative), Mike Lee, and Rand Paul voted against it. So did Sue Collins, and I get that....in Maine, folks would love to see manufacturing for LL Bean be in Maine.
Ted Cruz and the others can't defend their votes. It's Obama's style to not win everyone over, just peel off enough votes to win. It would've only taken less than 10 Republican US Senators to stop Obama. It's as bad as in the HOR not getting enough votes to oust Boehner as Speaker.
Summary....I don't want to hear Cruz's reasons. I want to know why he lost sight of the necessity to stop Obama's power grabs.
The GOP wants to approve Obama deals with Iran but doesn’t want to approve Obama trade deals?
Hillary vs any GOPer?
BOHICA for another 4.
It is early yet, and I'm still for Cruz, however, as a second choice, I'm looking closely at Carson. He is really from neither party, basically apolitical, and I think that he is pro working class.
We have the worst politicians money can buy. Worst for the people. Best for big businesses and their bottom line.
I’m all for making an honest buck but not on the backs of unemployed Americans who have to train their foreign replacements.
What it won’t because they didn’t save fat kids from Michelle O’Bama’s commie/vegan lunches?
I still would not trust them with the details!
Second Obama is for it? That should be your second RED FLAG.
I see you are still falling for the “Free Trade” lie. All “free trade” simply means the United States still.... pays tariffs to foreign countries, but the other countries do not pay tariffs here.
Thus, it encourages companies move out where they don't have to pay tariffs, if they kept the jobs here, higher wages, taxes and regulations. So they are slowly de-industrializing the United States by trade agreement. It's a win for foreign companies and a loss for us. If no one has jobs, then who can buy the products?
This trade deal will wipe out millions of jobs and it will wipe out the middle class.
This trade deal is like playing a rigid poker game you cannot win.
Here is another part of the deal that was leaked on Wiki leaks.
The government gives tax right offs to I.T. companies that replace American workers with H1 B workers (aka foreigners). For example, if Microsoft replaces a 100,000k employee with someone from say India for $25k. The Feds will let Microsoft write off the 100,000.00 for replacing a U.S. worker.
So our own government is giving incentives to corporations to fire American workers and replace them with H1-B foreign workers, immigrants in order to drive down wages.
Don't believe it? Disney IT was testing ground. Here is an article about it.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/19/as-floridians-are-displaced-rubio-demands-more-foreign-workers/
I have no argument with what you state.
I do have an argument with the messianic status of Reagan and Cruz.
They are all politicians. They have slick talk, and they have angles.
In the end I will vote for the GOP nominee.
And we should support who?
I’m with Drudge on this one. Handing O’Bumbler wide open authority to further undercut our economy under a secretive trade deal is not something I will forget any time soon. What will the real unemployment rate be two years from now?
Thanks again, Republicans. We have to watch the Dims like a hawk to keep them from further destruction and then have to watch the Republicans twice as closely.
“How does the United States of America benefit from Congress ceding — in advance — it's right to amend a future trade treaty?
“How does it benefit the United States of America for such “trade agreements” to be classified as state secrets that are shielded from open debate?
“And how does it benefit the United States of America for Congress to voluntarily reduce the Constitutional requirement for a two-thirds vote to ratify these secret treaties — which may now become law with only a simple majority vote?”
Succinct and excellent questions.
“I would like to hear these basic questions explained in plain language with no secrets withheld from the citizens whose nation is being altered.”
Same here.
The fact that the details of this legislation is SECRET is enough reason for any right-minded conservative to vote against it.
except when right minded conservatives are playing politics along with the main streamers. As I said, something is in play that we are not aware of even though the vote appears to be a no brainer. I’m with you it is an obvious vote, just like not voting for cloture on the recent attorney general, except they did, and then turned around and voted no on the nomination when the cloture vote was the important one.
Time for the crapola to stop, but it isn’t happening.
“It does not matter how you feel about free trade. The fact that the details of this legislation is SECRET is enough reason for any right-minded conservative to vote against it. The fact that it grants powers to the POTUS that it should not have is another reason any right-minded conservative should vote against this.”
Exactly right. If this “deal” was good for the American people, why wasn’t it published on a website for all Americans to study and then contact their congressmen about?
Shades of ObummerCare. A secret trade deal, cut in the District of Corruption, giving O’Bumbler free ranging authority to negotiate. How could that possibly work out to our benefit?
secret
adjective
1 a secret plan: confidential, top secret, classified, undisclosed, unknown, private, under wraps; informal hush-hush; formal sub rosa.
If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it."
Mark Twain -
Unlike this trade deal, NAFTA is not classified as Secret? It is insane to sign bills that no one has read and I imagine you so stated when Pelosie declared we had to pass ACA to find out what was in it. No such promise has been made concerning this deal, and only a few select members have even had access to any part of this bill and they were not allowed to even take notes.
At least the GOPe defunded Obamacare and executive amnesty just like they all promised to do when they were running in the last election, right?
Cruz has now made his Wife's position a debate issue, his vote was not needed so why did he do it?
Yeah, well this ain't that.
What a stab in the back!
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My friend, Sen. Cruz didn’t ‘stab anyone in the back’; just the opposite. He told everyone, well in advance, that he was a strong advocate of free trade- and he authored an “op-ed” that appeared in the WSJ in support of this legislation.
You may disagree with him, but he told you and every one else, up front, what his position was on the issue.
Yup, and I support free trade as well.
But I would not put my name to a piece of legislation that has been kept in secrecy for what purpose?! Why the secrecy?
What National Security issue is housed inside this bill that required SECRECY?!
I don't care if it was a bill banning all abortions worldwide....if the details were SECRET, I would not vote for it.
But Cruz bought Obama cover.
Time will tell and we will see what powers Obama begins to use.
But then, apologists, like you, will probably claim that Cruz never intended to give the POTUS that power while the POTUS is claiming its within his authority.
Cruz has now made his Wife’s position a debate issue, his vote was not needed so why did he do it?
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Why’d he do it? Because he believes in free trade. Sure, he could have proceeded deceitfully and gained political advantage by voting against the bill- as you say, his vote didn’t matter.
But that’s not how he operates. He’s honest— He knew this decision would cause him grief and he would likely lose some support for his candidacy, but he wasn’t going to lie— He voted in line with his principles.
B$ it is not Free Trade it is a Secret bill claiming to be about Free Trade.
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