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To: INVAR
Well, you stand in opposition to The Enlightenment maxims of our Framers.

They knew that tyranny cannot exist when power is sufficiently divided.

The beauty of Levin's amendments is that they would divide power so well, so “super-federalize” the government that a future FDR or Obama would be an impossibility.

72 posted on 06/23/2015 2:02:08 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie
Well, you stand in opposition to The Enlightenment maxims of our Framers. They knew that tyranny cannot exist when power is sufficiently divided.

You must be DEAF, DUMB & BLIND to make such an ignorant statement when you consider where we have arrived.

The Constitution ALREADY sufficiently divided power - and we have TYRANNY TODAY!!!!! PRECISELY BECAUSE THE RULE OF LAW WAS IGNORED AND SUPERSEDED BY DIKTAT. The same way any additional amendment will be ignored.

The beauty of Levin's amendments is that they would divide power so well, so “super-federalize” the government that a future FDR or Obama would be an impossibility.

The Founders' believed that the Constitution as ratified made an FDR and Obama an impossibility. Yet they happened because human nature marches on unchecked.

The Beauty of the Founders' intent for an Article V Convention to propose Amendments WAS TO PREVENT A TYRANNY FROM BEING ESTABLISHED.

Article V WAS NOT INTENDED TO REMOVE A TYRANNY that has been established. THAT does NOT HAPPEN via civil means. The Constitution was intended to restrain ONLY lawful and civil-minded representatives. It was NOT INTENDED to remove lawless tyrants because lawless tyrants ignore the law!

We no longer HAVE representatives who are bound by law and morals. We have a Ruling Class OLIGARCHY in power who are bound only by their ambition, money, power and zeal to rule over us. They refuse to be bound by the rule of law. They are LAWLESS.

You can pass all the laws you want- but rulers who see themselves above the law - will NEVER allow themselves to be restrained by them.

You cannot stop tyranny via civil means.

If you think that means I stand in opposition to "Enlightenment maxims" you are ignorant of the very human nature and history that the Enlightenment constructed it's arguments for in the first place.

We do not have rulers who agree with those maxims. We have rulers who demand those maxims replaced and they have done so. All your pontifications for how Article V is going to save the Republic ignores the real fact that the Republic is already gone.

We are exactly where our Founders were when they realized prostrating before King and Parliament was an exercise in futility. They understood that you cannot stop tyranny via civil means because the institutions that were intended to protect rights and dispense justice were corrupted beyond redemption.

80 posted on 06/23/2015 4:08:07 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Jacquerie
"we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams, October 1798
82 posted on 06/23/2015 4:21:26 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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