Posted on 06/30/2015 11:20:24 PM PDT by kathsua
Don’t you hate it when your honest clarification question is mistaken for the start of a fallacious argument? Almost every time in the last year I’ve talked with pro-choice students at a pro-life outreach, I’ve had an exchange that goes something like this:
Pro-Choice Student: The fetus isn’t even a person.
Tim: We agreed earlier that a newborn is a person. Do you think a fetus is a person right before birth?
Pro-Choice Student: *sigh* I know where you’re going with this, you’re going to try to trap me by asking if it’s a person right before that, or right before that.
Tim: No! I’m so glad you said that because that gives me the opportunity to clarify. The argument you’re describing is a logical fallacy, it’s one of the worst pro-life arguments I’ve ever heard, and if any pro-lifer out here makes that argument, I’ll prove them wrong on your behalf. I’m not trying to trap you, I’m just trying to figure out what your position is. What is it that makes us persons?
Unfortunately, because of how common this pro-life mistake is, the pro-choice student is expecting our conversation to go something like this:
Pro-Choice: The fetus isn’t a person.
Pro-Life: When do you think it becomes a person?
C: It isn’t a person until it can think.
L: So would you say it’s a person at birth?
C: Sure, it can think at birth.
L: Well, how about the day before it’s born?
C: I don’t know, maybe.
L: How about the day before that?
C: I think I see where this is going…
L: And how about the day before that? You just have to push back a little at a time to prove that there isn’t a difference between a newborn and a fetus. If the newborn is human, and there isn’t any big change in any day of its development, then it must have been human at the beginning.
C: Well I think there’s a big difference between the day it can think and the day before that.
L: Okay, then let’s talk about the day it can think. How about one second before that? The difference in the fetus from second to second is miniscule. So how can you say it is not human one second and human the next?
C: I don’t know how to explain it but I’m not persuaded.
While making what sounds to some pro-life ears like a very persuasive and reasonable argument, the pro-life person in this example has fallen into a logical fallacy called the Continuum Fallacy, more commonly known as the fallacy of the heap or the fallacy of the beard. This fallacy takes place when you attempt to demonstrate that two states cannot be distinct because there is a continuum of states between them.
That might be confusing. Stay with me, I’ll explain with a very easy-to-understand example.
In my opinion, the easiest way to understand why a type of reasoning is fallacious is to see that reasoning applied to something more obvious, and then see the consequences. Let’s apply the same continuum reasoning to President Lincoln’s beard:
lincoln
Beard Believer: Lincoln obviously has a beard.
Beard Skeptic: Oh really?! When do you think a beard becomes a beard?
Beard Believer: I’m not sure. Certainly it’s a beard when it’s an inch long.
Beard Skeptic: Well, what if he expertly trimmed his beard down by one millimeter? Would he still be furry enough to qualify as “bearded?”
Beard Believer: Yeah, sure, I guess.
Beard Skeptic: What about one more millimeter?
Beard Believer: Yeah…
Beard Skeptic: And what about one more millimeter?
Beard Believer: I think I know where you’re going with this…
Beard Skeptic: And one more millimeter after that? What if he’s down to stubble? What if we remove the stubble and now he’s clean-shaven? Unless you can clearly delineate the exact moment Lincoln no longer has a beard, and give an argument for why that moment is not simply arbitrarily chosen, we must conclude that there is NO difference between Lincoln’s beard in this picture and a clean-shaven woman! Therefore if Lincoln has a beard, EVERYONE, MAN OR WOMAN, HAS A BEARD!!!
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If you aren’t familiar with the continuum fallacy, it’s awfully hard to argue with the skeptic’s conclusion. But of course we know that Lincoln has a beard and we know that if someone is clean-shaven, they don’t have a beard. We know that even if we aren’t sure exactly how much facial hair one must have in order to qualify as having a beard, we generally know one when we see it. Just because there are some cases when it isn’t obvious whether a given person is bearded, that doesn’t mean we cannot ever recognize the difference between a bearded person and a non-bearded person.
Similarly, it doesn’t follow that because a pro-choice person cannot determine where the dividing line is between a valuable human infant and (in her mind) a non-valuable human zygote, that does not mean that there isn’t a difference. I don’t think there is a morally relevant difference between the two; I just don’t believe that can be demonstrated by asking “what about one second before that?” over and over. I agree with the conclusion of this pro-life argument, but this isn’t a logical way to get to the conclusion.
You might be wondering, “does anyone even make that illogical argument?” The answer is yes. I’ve heard it from many pro-life people, I’ve seen it in pro-life blog posts, and I’ve even seen it in at least one Christian pro-life movie. It’s especially common for pro-life people to turn to this argument when they feel stuck, like the argument is a safety net. I don’t want to name names or call anyone out, because the pro-life movement doesn’t need more division. But we do need to stop making this bad argument.
You might be thinking, “but come on, it is totally fair to call the pro-choice person to task if they can’t explain the difference between a human you can kill and a human you can’t!” And I agree!
This fallacious pro-life argument is driven by a question that is perfectly fair to ask IF it is used in the context of shifting the burden of proof. Let’s return to Lincoln’s beard for a moment. Suppose someone were to say that she thought that it was morally justified to kill anyone with a beard. Suppose then that they refused to give any kind of explanation for when someone has a beard and when they don’t. That would be a big problem! If you’re going to advocate for the right to kill a group of humans, it seems reasonable to expect you to be pretty clear about which humans are in that group.
The fact that there is a continuum between two states does not necessitate that there is no difference between the two states. But if you are going to claim that someone on one side of the continuum has the right to life and the person on the other side of the continuum does not, it is reasonable to demand some explanation.
The pro-lifer should ask what the difference is, and point out how odd it is that a woman can legally kill her third-trimester unborn just days before it is born, and how it doesn’t seem like there is a relevant difference between the third trimester unborn and the newborn. But he must not erroneously claim that there cannot possibly be a difference simply because there is a continuum of states between the two. And if you recognize that a pro-choice person thinks you’re making this mistake, clarify what you really mean, and that you wouldn’t use such poor reasoning.
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QED.
At what age is a dependent human considered too much of a burden to be allowed to live? The answer is any age. Thus, an elder generation of pro-choice believers should be quite understanding then a younger generation of pro-choice believers, that they schooled, decides to abort the elder.
Make everyone watch an abortion. Not only will abortions fall rapidly, you’ll find out who the truly sick amongst us are that remain in support of it. I thought I was a cool college kid that could care less about abortion either way. I had some one who was pro abortion ask me what would get me “to support a women’s right to choose”. I said before I can say I support something I’d have to see it. Long story short I went from a could careless college student to pro life in about 5 minutes. I couldn’t believe this person still supported abortion after watching the abortion of a 12 week old BABY. I never spoke with that person again.
See Gov. Richard Lamm, and his “duty to die”.
Isn’t that the problem? Arguing a point? Isn’t it conviction and what God demands?
God is what won me over.
Maybe not at the precise second that the seed was planted and perhaps there was no immediate gratification for the farmer, but my heart was made ready for God to speak to me.
I just needed that seed planted and sometimes the glory isn’t for us to witness. Maybe we need to trust God and have faith—He can turn the most hard heart. He can make the blind see.
We just need to plant the seeds and trust Him, He can certainly handle the rest. Faith.
wow can you write a screen play for this? sounds like you can.
The stupidest article I can recall reading at LifeNews.
There is no logical fallacy involved. I don’t know what this Tim Brahm person is trying to prove.
The question he considers “fallacious” isn’t trying to prove that there’s no distinction between a person and a non-person. It’s trying to show that the pro-abort CANNOT KNOW and CANNOT SAY when the unborn child “becomes” a person. It’s the pro-abort who CLAIMS that the unborn baby BECOMES a person at some point later than conception. Pro-lifers don’t make that stupid claim.
What all pro-abortion arguments prove is that wicked people who want to kill babies will say ANYTHING. They have absolutely no commitment to intellectual honesty.
The pro-life gives choice: give the kid up for adoption or keep it.
The continuum stops at fertilization.
I just wrote the truth. And when I’ve told others “watch an abortion” they think I AM the sick one. Yet they refuse to watch and go around supporting killing babies. I don’t go around telling everyone to watch an abortion, just those that get in my face about it. I think people that refuse to watch and call themselves “pro choice” know deep down its wrong and murder. They just buy into the rhetoric and shield themselves from the truth.
All you do is ask the idiot if the developing human being at any point develops into anything BUT a human being.
When they say ‘No”... Then you look them straight in the face and say “Then you are an advocate of murder.”
Period. You do not ‘persuade’ these evil idiots. You shame them into reality.
Actually I don’t find anything “fallacious” with the so called “continuum” argument. It is not a fallacy.
The illusion of a fallacy only comes into play because what you’re testing for (i.e a person, or a beard) is not defined.
If you define “beard” as being “1 inch or more long”, then the continuum argument can be utilized just fine.
I think it was Aristotle who said that all arguments can be resolved in ten minutes if the people arguing first agree on the definition of the terms.
And in the case of the abortion argument, what the two sides can’t seem to agree on is what makes “something” a person, and when. Everything else is just noise.
The prolifers say it’s at the point of conception, the abortionists say its whenever the mother feels she doesn’t want the baby anymore (including for some, after birth).
And you wonder why this argument hasn’t been settled??
The bigger mistake is to perpetuate the notion that important moral issues need to be expertly debated in order to discover a truth, which really should simply be self evident, regardless of whether someone who is blind to that truth can more artfully craft a narrative in support of their ignorance.
So when it comes to something like this, then perhaps the only response should be - look, I’m not going to debate with you what should be obvious. For example, if you told me slavery was OK under some circumstances, I’d simply shake my head and walk away. So likewise, if you cannot see this the way I do, then I really have nothing else to say.
No, I'm clear on that. The argument hasn't been settled because a lot of people want the right to kill their babies.
One thing you will NEVER see happen on any TV show or in any newspaper is the definition of terms.
What you WILL see is a general naming of the “issue,” followed by “I just feel...” and then a free-for-all of other people screaming “I just feel...”
And you wonder why this argument hasn’t been settled??
there are pro-aborts who are just plain evil. one can show how science prooves the pro-ife position but they are too determined to kill babies to give an inch that they are wrong.
“Make everyone watch an abortion. Not only will abortions fall rapidly, you’ll find out who the truly sick amongst us are that remain in support of it.”
This is off topic, but similarly:
“Make everyone watch two homosexual men have sex. Not only will support for the homosexual movement fall rapidly, you’ll find out who the truly sick amongst us are that remain in support of it.”
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