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To: xzins

Don’t pay! Don’t do it.

Simply refuse.

Is there a way we can help them refuse?


3 posted on 07/09/2015 7:47:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

There are funding sites for them, and I don’t want them to lose their house, but I want them NOT to pay.

This is OBVIOUSLY a cruel and unusual, excessive fine and a violation of the 8th amendment.

Explain how you get from the value of a cake to putting a lien on someone’s HOUSE other than by vindictiveness!


8 posted on 07/09/2015 7:49:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: MrB
Is there a way we can help them refuse?

A massive FREEP on Brad Avakian's front lawn, letting them know we're watching, and we won't allow it to happen?

12 posted on 07/09/2015 7:50:52 AM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are we going to do about it?)
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To: MrB

Yep, and if they try to seize the house, I’d burn it down before they could take it.

Sure, I’d end up in jail for arson most likely, but if I’m going to be punished anyway, I might as well commit the crime.


30 posted on 07/09/2015 7:58:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: MrB
Is there a way we can help them refuse?

Unfortunately, tyrants only understand one language.

37 posted on 07/09/2015 8:02:51 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: MrB

They could eventually end up winning a civil suit against the homo-Nazis


61 posted on 07/09/2015 8:23:00 AM PDT by Josa
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To: MrB

Have them sell their house and all their worldly goods at a yard sale to raise the $135,000

which goes into escrow established by their attorney, pending final resolution of their appeal

except for paying bona fide medical bills presented by the lesbians that shows their actual damage

Encourage them to start a nonprofit ministry that donates wedding cakes for Christian weddings

Buy a parish house for their ministry in which they live for market rent for a lifetime tenancy


84 posted on 07/09/2015 8:39:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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Mr.B wrote: Is there a way we can help them refuse?

Yes. We can start a nationwide petition to have Brad Avakian removed from office. Yes I know he was elected by Oregon voters, and ultimately Oregon voters would need to dump him.
But consider the larger context. Avakian—a pissant bureaucrat with no legal authority—is sending a message to Christians AND EVERYONE: obey or else. He’s setting a precedent of harassing and violating constitutional rights of business owners nationwide and this will NOT BE LIMITED TO CHRISTIAN BUSINESS OWNERS. We need to shine a nationwide light on this and send a powerful message back: WE WILL NOT OBEY.
People aren’t stupid. Many know the gay mafia is just the commie shock troops; they know they could be next. Even gays have contributed to the Kleins in support of their right to dissent. $200k in cash was raised in a few days to HELP the Kleins exclusively; think how many people would sign a petition in SOLIDARITY, knowing their own rights are on the line.
I really believe more than enough Oregonians would sign to get Avakian tossed, plus thousands more across the country.
I’d like to put it on moveon.org which is mainstream and likely to get lots of attention. And where it will likely be removed quickly. Which will just further expose the left and their tactics.
I would be willing to write the move on petition myself. It’s easy to do on their site.
The problem is, as soon as the commies shut it down, it would need to be moved to another site QUICKLY to not lose momentum. I’m no techie, I don’t have a site, and don’t have a clue how to set one up. It would need to be in place and ready.

The clock is ticking for the Kleins.
Any help or different ideas would be welcome.


127 posted on 07/09/2015 9:41:53 AM PDT by mumblypeg (I've seen the future; brother it is murder. -L. Cohen)
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