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Trump Fans, It’s Time for An Intervention
National Review ^ | July 11, 2015 | Jonah Goldberg's Weekly News Letter

Posted on 07/11/2015 1:59:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

There have been times in the past when I’ve gotten crosswise with certain segments of the conservative base and/or with the readership of National Review. And, because, like the Elephant Man, I am a not an animal but a human being, I have always had at least some self-doubt. That’s as it should be. People who share principles should not only hear each other out when they disagree; they should be able to see each other’s points and hold open the possibility that one’s opponents have the better argument.

This is not one of those times, at least not for me.

I truly, honestly, and with all my heart and mind think Donald Trump’s most ardent supporters are making a yuuuuuuge mistake. I think they are being conned and played. I feel like a guy whose brother is being taken advantage of by a grifter. I’m watching helplessly as the con artist congratulates him for taking out a third mortgage.

Anger Is Not an Argument

Now, before I go on, let me clarify a few things. I get it. The base of the party is angry. They’re angry about Obama’s lawless chicanery on immigration. They’re angry about the GOP’s patented inability to cross the street without stepping on its own d*ck and then having to apologize for it. They’re angry that the Left’s culture warriors are behaving like an invading army that shoots the survivors even after they’ve surrendered. They’re angry that Republicans have to bend over backward so as not to offend anyone, while Democrats have free rein (and at times free reign) to do and to say as they please.

Enter Trump, stage left. He makes no apologies. He’s brash. I can understand why some see him as a breath of fresh air. If you want to give him credit for starting a worthwhile debate about sanctuary cities and illegal immigration, fine. I think that argument is way overdone, but certainly reasonable enough.

Trump supporters need an intervention. I want to sit them down at the kitchen table, reach into a manila envelope, and pull out the proof that he’s a fraud.

Maybe you just like him. On that, we can respectfully disagree, as there is no accounting for taste. Perhaps you just like his musk and the way it assaults your nostrils, which is fitting, given his line of cologne. Fine.

I, on the other hand, find him tedious, tacky, and trite. He’s a bore who overcompensates for his insecurities by talking about how awesome he is, often in the third person. Jonah can’t stand that.

You see the next Teddy Roosevelt and all I see is someone who talks big and carries a small schtick.

’Sup Britches?

In words George Will shall never write, this is a good moment to talk about my pants. Earlier this week, Donald Trump attacked Charles Krauthammer and me. By the way, I don’t blame Trump one bit for his hostility. I’d hate me too, if I were him. Still I do marvel at how this supposed Master of the Universe can be unnerved by such criticism. If it takes so little effort for me to set up shop in his head, by all means, let’s give him thermonuclear weapons.

Anyway, when asked about me, he said:

I’m worth a fortune. . . . I went out, I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune . . . bigger than people even understand. . . . Then I get called [a failure] by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?

As the intern said to Bill Clinton, this puts me in a weird position. I don’t like to brag, but I’m actually quite adept at buying pants. I don’t enjoy it. But I can do it. It never occurred to me to put it in my bio or anything — “Jonah Goldberg is a senior editor of National Review, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and a successful pants-buyer” — but maybe I should.

Now, I will say that I sometimes choose not to wear pants, and not just because I’m so fond of my spaghetti-strainer codpiece (which affords me the satisfaction of telling really attractive women, “Hey, my eyes are up here. Thank you very much”). But these are my choices. If I want to identify as a pantless American, who are you to say otherwise?

More to the point, what I find so gaudy about Trump is his constant reference to the fact that he made a lot of money, and his expectation that it somehow makes him immune to criticism or means that he’s a better person than his GOP competitors, never mind yours truly.

The Trump-Pets Blare

Moreover, I find it horribly disappointing that his fans like this about him. If you met someone in real life who talked this way, you would think he’s a jerk. But somehow he’s awesome when he does it on TV?

The most troubling defense is this claptrap that he ‘tells it like it is.’ Well, first of all, no he doesn’t. He tells it the way you want to hear it, which is an entirely different thing.

His biggest fans disappoint in other ways as well. I marvel at how they can simultaneously despise Obama’s arrogance but revel in Trump’s. (I chuckle at all of the people who tell me he’s a heroic truth-teller for “telling it like it is” and “calling it as he sees it” but who at the same time fume at me when I tell it like it is about Trump and call it as I see it.)

But most grating of all are the people who sincerely think he should be the Republican nominee for President of the United States.

On this, I’m afraid we’re going to have to disrespectfully disagree. First of all, he’ll never be president of the United States. I won’t go into all of the reasons I think this, but a few off the top of my head: his enormous negatives, even among Republicans; the Midas’s hoard of oppo-research material that surely lurks beneath the surface; and his comments about women, which alone would turn the gender gap into a chasm. To borrow a line from Mark Steyn, a President Trump would have more ex-wives than the previous 44 presidents combined.

But my objection isn’t to the political analysis of Trump supporters. It’s their judgment of the man that stews the bowels.

The Purest RINO

​Which gets me back to the grifter thing.

I’ve written many times about how I hate the term RINO because conservatives should consider themselves Republicans in Name Only. The Republican Party is a vessel, a tool for achieving conservative ends. It’s nothing more than a team. Conservatism is different. It’s a body of ideas, beliefs, and temperaments. The amazing thing is that Trump is both a RINO and a CINO. I’m sure he has some authentic and sincere conservative views down in there somewhere. But the idea that he’s more plausibly conservative — or more loyally Republican — than Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Scott Walker, or any of the others is just flatly absurd. It is vastly more plausible that he is a stalking horse for his dear friend Hillary Clinton than he is a sincere conservative.

Trump supporters need an intervention. I want to sit them down at the kitchen table, reach into a manila envelope, and pull out the proof that he’s a fraud. The conversation would go something like this:

Immigration: You seem to think he’s an immigration hardliner, and he’s certainly pretending to be. But why can’t you see through it? He condemned Mitt Romney as an immigration hardliner in 2012 and favored comprehensive immigration reform. He told Bill O’Reilly he was in favor of a “path to citizenship” for 30 million illegal immigrants:

Trump: You have to give them a path. You have 20 million, 30 million, nobody knows what it is. It used to be 11 million. Now, today I hear it’s 11, but I don’t think it’s 11. I actually heard you probably have 30 million. You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that.

Question: Just how many rapists and drug dealers did Donald Trump want to give green cards to?

Abortion: In 1999 he said, “I’m totally pro-choice. I hate it and I hate saying it. And I’m almost ashamed to say that I’m pro-choice but I am pro-choice because I think we have no choice.”

Man, it’s like he’s channeling Thomas Aquinas there.

Now he says he’s pro-life. But I’ll spare the mocking on this because at least he’s flip-flopping in the right direction, and I don’t like to second guess peoples’ professed religious convictions.

Obamacare: The man wrote in his own book and said elsewhere that he was in favor of Canadian-style socialized medicine — which would put him to the left of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and on pretty much the same page as Bernie Sanders.

Hillary: Speaking of her, Trump praised Hillary Clinton and her health-care reform plan — in 2007! She attended his (most recent) wedding. He donated to her campaigns and to the Clinton Foundation. In 2008, he couldn’t get his head around the fact that Obama didn’t pick her for VP. “I’m a big fan of Hillary. She’s a terrific woman. She’s a friend of mine.”

Economics: People tout the guy’s business record. But he represents almost exactly what his supporters think he opposes. He’s a crony capitalist par excellence. He gives to whatever politician can grease the skids for his next deal — and he makes no apologies for it. He’s an eminent-domain voluptuary. He abuses bankruptcy laws like a stack of homemade get-out-of-jail-free cards.

Parlez vous Conservative?

The most troubling defense is this claptrap that he “tells it like it is.” Well, first of all, no he doesn’t. He tells it the way you want to hear it, which is an entirely different thing. He is like William Jennings Bryan, only his cross of gold has an all-you-can-eat buffet under it, and looks remarkably like a capital “T.”

He is like William Jennings Bryan, only his cross of gold has an all-you-can-eat buffet under it, and looks remarkably like a capital “T.”

“The people of Nebraska are for free silver, and I am for free silver,” Bryan announced. “I will look up the arguments later.” That is Trump’s approach. He’s saying what understandably angry people want to hear him say.

He reminds me a lot of Mitt Romney, at least in one respect. I always said that Romney “spoke conservatism as a second language” (a line some people ripped off, btw). That’s why Romney called himself a “severe conservative,” talked about how he “likes to fire people,” and anathematized the “47 percent.”

Trump is even less truly conservative, but he’s trying to speak in an even grubbier dialect of conservatism. And, having grown up in the tabloid politics of New York, he’s better at faking it.

Eventually, I suspect, this will be the cause of his undoing. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know about conservatism, and at some point he will say something that even his biggest fans will recognize as a damning revelation about the real man beneath the schtick. The only question is whether he implodes before or after he does permanent damage to the GOP’s chances in 2016.

The Conservative Heart

Look, these are rough times for conservatives, for reasons too lengthy, and all too familiar, to go into here. But none of our problems — demographic, political, cultural — can be solved unless conservatives take the cause of persuasion to heart. All of our problems can be fixed by convincing people to join our cause. That is what politics is about — persuading people that their interests and concerns are better addressed by coming to our side. And, given the degraded nature of our culture, I won’t deny that having a celebrity on our side has its utility. But it’s only helpful if that celebrity convinces people to switch sides. As a purely mathematical proposition, it is insane to believe that Donald Trump will convert more voters than he will repel.

For those who are interested in persuasion, I heartily recommend Arthur Brooks’s new book, The Conservative Heart (full disclosure: He’s my boss at AEI and a friend). I’ll be writing more about it in the future because I think it’s an important book. But I will say for now that it is almost a mirror image of Trump’s approach. It’s thoughtful, humble, fact- and data-driven, and informed by a deep moral case for conservatism. It won’t satisfy your desire to scream at the opposition, but it will equip you to explain to the opposition why they are wrong............


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To: SpeakerToAnimals
"Trump is the man with the grenade launcher. He is bombing the foxholes occupied by the enemedia and CoC candidates. Cruz is the sniper that takes them out when they get up to run. Trump is well known by the LIV. They know and like him. He can get votes from dems, indys and people who never paid attention or voted. Only Cruz is close to Trump in facebook followers. Ted's facebook followers are the very informed voters. Trump gets the LIV crowd.

If Trump flames out and backs Cruz he will inherit all those dem, young and indys.

Bashing Trump at this point in time is a big mistake."

Spare me the hyperbole. Trump supporters are quick to react to criticism with cries of "bashing" or "hate." Cults of personality don't mix with conservatism.

" Let him lob grenades. The people who like Trump are the "screw the establishment" vote. It is huge. Don't make them angry. You won't like them when they get angry."

I don't take to intimidation very well. I don't give a crap who gets angry and I'm not going to be silenced by anyone less than a mod or the forum owner.

261 posted on 07/11/2015 10:34:05 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Wrong, fan is short for fanatic. It’s what the did with the the Bush’s. Total political party worship by insider fanatics with agendas of their own.


262 posted on 07/11/2015 10:36:46 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Iscool
"Now we are making progress...Who has better ideas than Trump???"

I swear it amazes me to see conservatives falling for that.

He's going to make Mexico pay for that fence, right? How's he going to do that?

He's going to bomb the oil fields. What happens when the price of oil skyrockets?

263 posted on 07/11/2015 10:36:54 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon

You coming back for more Cathy?

Lemme know.


264 posted on 07/11/2015 10:37:45 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Replys to this comment are two to one against your position.


265 posted on 07/11/2015 10:39:02 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: CatherineofAragon

We’ve already been through all that Cathy. Easy solutions to make Mexico understand what’s in our best interest. Try to keep up Cathy.


266 posted on 07/11/2015 10:39:12 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: khelus

You’re welcome...But I just passed it on like others are doing.


267 posted on 07/11/2015 10:42:47 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TTFlyer
"C’mon, face reality. No way in the world does Ted Cruz win the Presidency. I'm sorry but that's just the way it is."

He can win easily if conservatives get behind him. He won't if they get distracted by some reality-show shyster.

" Jeb Bush has a HUGE machine, a billion dollars, plus a “conservative” TV network behind him. It’s going to be Jeb as the nominee and no matter who wins between Jeb and Hillary IT WILL BE A RULING CLASS VICTORY.

Sounds like you've given up, then.

"The ONLY chance the people have of wresting this election away from the Ruling Class is a ticket such as: Trump/Cruz, Trump/Walker, Trump/Paul, Trump/Fiorina, and possibly Trump/Carson.

Other than that, get used to Uniparty rule and the continuing death-throes of a dying American Republic. The post-Obama catastrophe is coming. You can bet your life on it."

If conservatives allow themselves to be conned by that liberal, Trump, we deserve it.

Enjoy your cult of personality.

268 posted on 07/11/2015 10:46:04 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: dragnet2
"You coming back for more Cathy?

Lemme know."

LOL!

269 posted on 07/11/2015 10:47:25 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
"Replys to this comment are two to one against your position."

I didn't make myself clear? I don't care if it's a hundred to one.

You remind me of a liberal, trying to shut down dissent.

270 posted on 07/11/2015 10:49:07 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He's the Godfather's Luca Brasi with a combover. You send him out to do your dirty work, but of course nobody could seriously consider him eligible to run the family business. He's intellectually lacking and his interactions with others are often uncomfortable and destructive. Luca smash.

If you read the book, rather than just the movie, you'll know that the problem with sending Luca out to get dirty, is nobody really knows how to reel him back in. Once unleashed, there could be ugly blow back on the family.

If nothing else, it's fun to watch him get spitting angry.

271 posted on 07/11/2015 10:49:33 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dragnet2

Well, “draggy,” you might want to look at your beloved Trump’s background. It’s HIM living the lie, not people here... thought you might be able to deduce that from my earlier statement.

You choose to place your trust in Trump; I don’t.


272 posted on 07/11/2015 10:49:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Liberalism is the poison ivy that infests the garden of society.ct)
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To: dragnet2
"Easy solutions to make Mexico understand what’s in our best interest."

Easy solutions? What are they? Specifically.

273 posted on 07/11/2015 10:49:51 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon
allow themselves to be conned by that liberal, Trump

You just keep posting this crap Cathy. Why don't you and this Goldberg individual tell these brutalized families who had their kids murdered by illegals that they're all being conned.

You go tell them they're all full of sh*t Cathy.

You report back missy and tell us how it went.

274 posted on 07/11/2015 10:52:06 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dennisw
"I have had enough of you nattering nabobs of negativity!!! The Donald is THE MAN!!!"

Cult of personality?

Nahhhh, no way. /S

275 posted on 07/11/2015 10:52:26 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon

Stop being so lame Cathy. Look it up.


276 posted on 07/11/2015 10:52:45 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CatherineofAragon
You remind me of a liberal, trying to shut down dissent.

I argue the facts. You attack the messenger whose message beats yours. Who is the liberal?

277 posted on 07/11/2015 10:53:44 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: CatherineofAragon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsokVoqSOA8

All these victims are all being conned right Cathy?

And all the other tens of thousands of victims are all being conned right?


278 posted on 07/11/2015 10:55:01 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; flaglady47; Bushbacker1; Maine Mariner; seekthetruth; mickie; pax_et_bonum; ...
Just as we label certain establishment politicians with an "e" for "elite" and/or "establishment" after their names such as "Sen. John McCain, GOP-e", we should do likewise with those mediawhores who pretend to be conservatives and yet are intrinsically part-and-parcel of the entrenched snobs and RINOS in the Washington D.C. and New York City Beltway.....but who don't want us to know it.

They live in this liberal/left-wing regional loop, they work there, they socialize there, they absorb the atmosphere and ideology there. They don't know or give a c**p about we peons who live in fly-over country outside and not part of this exclusive, incestuous eastern liberal nexus.

Yet every day and every night these Beltway provincials posing as conservative sophisticates are actually taking it upon themselves to pound us with lectures in print and/or on the TV airwaves how WE are so stupid, so uninformed, so off-the-mark, so far-right, so paranoid, so neurotic, so rustic, so frightened, so uninvolved, so narrow-minded, so insular, so dinosaur-ish and so myopic that we don't see what THEY so clearly and correctly see what's happening in the political/economic/cultural landscape across the entire fruited plain.

From now on, I'm using the elite "e" to denote not only the politicians that pose as conservatives such as " Sen. Gramnesty-GOP-e", but also the journalistas and pundits doing likewise....such as Jonah Goldberg-e, George Will-e, Karl Rove-e, Charles Krauthammer-e, Dana Perrino-e....well, you get my drift.

Let's start identifying these bozos for who they are when you actually start scratching their liberal veneers....just as Trump is courageously doing identifying by name the pinheads like Secretary of State Kerry-e and Joint Chiefs of Staff head General Dempsey-e who are among those running this country and forming its policies....and running it into the ground.

Leni-USA

279 posted on 07/11/2015 10:56:41 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: CatherineofAragon

Just don’t vote for Hillary!


280 posted on 07/11/2015 10:58:52 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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