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Our RAF jets 'BEATEN' in training exercise with Indian pilots in Russian planes
Express, U.K. ^ | Fri, Aug 7, 2015 | TOM BATCHELOR

Posted on 08/07/2015 4:58:58 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

The Indian Air Force (IAF) boasted that they thrashed the RAF in a friendly dogfight in the skies above Lincolnshire - while using Russian-made aircraft.

British crews came head-to-head with their Indian counterparts last month in a 10-day joint exercise codenamed Operation Indradhanush - the fourth of its kind in recent years.

The IAF brought four of its Sukhoi SU-30MKI Flanker fighter aircraft to RAF Coningsby to face off against the UK's Typhoon FGR4 fighters.

It gave RAF pilots a rare opportunity to train alongside the Russian-designed aircraft - allowing British servicemen to gain experience in air combat with the jets, amid increasing tensions between the West and Russia.

President Vladimir Putin continues to fly his country's 'bear' bombers close to UK airspace and the RAF has already deployed fighter jets in the region as Russian aggression in Ukraine rumbles on.

However, the RAF has rubbished claims the IAF beat British crews '12-0' in the latest exercise, with a source describing the boast as "comical".

They said British pilots did not make use of the advanced technology at their disposal and were effectively fighting "with one arm behind their backs".

The RAF source told the Independent: "There must have been some clouded recollection on the flights back to India, as the headlines of the Indian press bear no relation to the results of the tactical scenarios completed on the exercise in any shape or form."

IAF Group Captain Ashu Srivastav claimed the performance of his pilots was "exceptional".

He said the SU-30's advanced Infrared Search and Track System allowed the IAF to out manoeuvre British jets.

But aviation expert Tony Osborne responded: "These cricket-style scores claimed by the IAF look impressive but should be treated with caution and certainly not as a realistic gauge of combat capability.

"We have to view these scores through the haze of pilot bravado, national pride and also some political correctness.

"Nonetheless, the Su-30MKI is one of the aircraft that the Typhoon was designed to tackle and defeat, and no doubt in the right hands would present a potent challenge."

A spokesperson for the RAF said: "Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise with and against the IAF.

"Both learnt a great deal from the exercise and the RAF look forward to the next opportunity to train alongside the IAF."

India is the largest international operator of the Sukhoi jet, which costs £30million, with around 200 in service, while the RAF has taken delivery of 129 of the twin-engine Typhoon planes at a cost of £87m each.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; india; raf; russia

1 posted on 08/07/2015 4:58:58 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

From a few years ago!

http://www.indiastrategic.in/topstories1097.htm


2 posted on 08/07/2015 5:00:01 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Meanwhile in Slovakia, taxi to runway has a new meaning...

Just a touch of levity for International Beer Day August 7, 2015

3 posted on 08/07/2015 5:15:17 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
From a few years further back, when Su-30MKIs beat USAF F-15Cs in Cope India: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1237790/posts
4 posted on 08/07/2015 5:28:40 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Keep in mind that the Indian pilots use Israeli training.


5 posted on 08/07/2015 5:28:47 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Yo-Yo

Didn’t they claim they beat F-22s as well in some exercise or other more recently?


6 posted on 08/07/2015 6:10:23 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I kind of believe the Indian Air Force on this, Typhoons aren’t going to do well with bare knuckle brawling.


7 posted on 08/07/2015 6:11:48 AM PDT by dila813
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To: PIF
Red Flag 2008, and they didn't claim to beat the F-22, the USAF compared the Su-30MKI's thrust vectoring to that of the F-22. Two part video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKEa-R37PeU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w

8 posted on 08/07/2015 6:32:00 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
If you've read the parameters of the engagements, particularly the famous one with the USAF F-15s you can see how the results came out. My guess is that the Typhoons, like the F-15s were not allowed to use AMRAAMs or any type of BVR weapon, no AWACS, no jamming, and were probably outnumbered. If it was a real shooting war type of situation my guess is that half of the SU-30s would have been knocked out before the merge with the sections severely disrupted, to be picked off by the Typhoons. That's not saying the Typhoons wouldn't take some losses, but ti wouldn't be 12-0!
9 posted on 08/07/2015 7:01:42 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: Yo-Yo

No not that. There was something late last year or early this. Something about a Russian or European fighter being able to sneak up on the F22. I could be wrong, I realize.


10 posted on 08/07/2015 8:06:44 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

That would be the Eurofighter jocks claiming to have given a hard time to F-22s last year.


11 posted on 08/07/2015 8:14:00 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks - I knew there was something - our fighter jets must be nearly obsolescent compared to the European, and obsolete compared to the Russian. Must be time to beat the rush and surrender before things get out of hand ...


12 posted on 08/07/2015 8:18:30 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: aegiscg47

There were both BVR & WVR engagements. These supposed results were in the WVR engagements. The BVR engagements were supposedly closer though the word is that the Su30’s did very well even there. As for limitations put on Typhoon & them being outnumbered, the exercises were held in the U.K. & there were just 4 Su30MKI’s involved.


13 posted on 08/07/2015 8:58:31 AM PDT by cold start
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To: aegiscg47
Btw, the famous exercise with the F-15's that you refer to (Cope India 2004) was with a very early type of the Su30's which were then phased out. The fighter that reportedly gave the the F-15's the most problems (along with the Su30) in that exercise was an upgraded version of the Mig 21. Also in no exercise, whether with the US, the French or the British, have the Su30MKI's ever used their radar in anything other than the training mode.
14 posted on 08/07/2015 9:07:14 AM PDT by cold start
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Do you think you can scare me?


15 posted on 08/14/2015 9:20:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Dear Jeb Bush..... Trump upped his game. Up yours!.... Love, Laz.)
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