Good Grief–Media Lies, AGAIN, About Trump’s Illegal Alien Proposals–Completely Manufactured Claims…

Conservative Treehouse ^ | August 17, 2015 | Sundance

[2ndDivisionVet]

Sweet Mother of Hades this is getting beyond absurd. Another entire media cycle consisting of completely manufactured nonsense projecting their determination of ‘what is’ against the reality of ‘what isn’t’….

Having watched an entire media cycle of punditry pontificate about Donald Trump proposing to deport “by force” 11 to 42 million illegal aliens we find ourselves shaking our heads at how little the MSM think of the viewing audience.

NO-WHERE in Donald Trump’s proposal does he say, or advocate for, the mass “rounding up and subsequent deportation” of millions of illegal aliens. He never said it, he never proposed it, and it doesn’t exist in his presented Border Solution and Illegal Alien proposal.

It just doesn’t exist, yet the media claim it to be so….

The media, all of them, including Fox News, Bill O’Reilly, The FIVE, Dana Perino et al, along with Anderson Cooper Inc, run the segment of Donald Trump responding to the Chuck Todd question about Obama’s illegal DACA “dreamers” amnesty program, and the 2 million “dreamers”. Wherein Trump was responding to the hypothetical presentation of NBC Chuck Todd, about what would the “dreamer” classification be if their amnesty would be rescinded.

They would be what they are, ILLEGAL ALIENS.

And as such they would be subject to the same standard of all illegal aliens. Yes, that means the potential for deportation.

However, what Trump did not say, yet what he is being claimed to have said (by projection) is that he would immediately deport all 11 to 42 million illegals. Although, it would be OK with me if he did, he never said that.

Don’t believe me? WATCH FOR YOURSELF:

(VIDE-AT-LINK)

Trump replied to the question, as Todd interjected the deportation wording, by saying the families should be kept together, and if that means deported through the existing system as a family, then so be it.

But the sheer manipulated construction of how the media is now framing Trump’s position, is beyond obtuse to a level of intentional LYING.

The MSM take that soundbite with Chuck Todd and then completely make up a claim that Donald Trump is advocating for the forced rounding up and deportation of ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. A totally manufactured claim.

Trump has called for the deportation of CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS, immediately. Which is just plain common sense. That’s actually President Obama’s claimed position too.

It does not go unnoticed this MEME is being promoted at the same time that Donald Trump spent all day sitting amid a potential pool of jurors unable to articulate his own accurate position. Yeah, funny that – huh?

It doesn’t go unnoticed that Trump’s primary high level spokespeople were absent from the talking punditry as this took place.

It doesn’t go unnoticed that Ann Coulter is not booked to counter the preferred distribution narrative.

It doesn’t go unnoticed by those who understand how these penthouse New York media decisions are constructed.

All the media need to begin a narrative out of loin-cloth that doesn’t factually exist in the first place is a complete media cycle to advance a manufactured construct.

See how they roll?

Insufferable.

[2ndDivisionVet]

FULL TITLE: Good Grief – The Media Lies, AGAIN, About Donald Trump’s Illegal Alien Enforcement Proposals – Completely Manufactured Claims…

[Catsrus]

Doncha just love the bleeding hearts crying about breaking up families, when in this country, hundreds, if not thousands of families are torn apart daily by Children’s Services. Bunch of hypocrites. (see my new tagline).

[grania]

Doncha' just love crying about breaking up families...

Where was the outrage when children were being sent without families on the trek from Central America to the US?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

They don’t cry when an illegal rapes and bludgeons to death a granny or a daughter. Those are families getting busted up too.

[nathanbedford]

Trump seems to be more or less explicit with respect to his intentions about deporting aliens depending on several factors.

It is quite clear that illegals coming over the wall should be detained and deported. Of course, the southern border is only 60% of the problem with 40% of the illegals in America being visa jumpers. Here Trump is slightly less explicit. He wants punishment but he does not explicitly state that visa jumpers should be chased down and deported. Although, it is reasonable to infer that punishment must necessarily include deportation. Will he chase them down, punish them and deport them?

It is quite clear that aliens in our midst who commit crimes should be deported. That is an easy political step to take and the doing away with sanctuary cities is a necessary step toward that end. The provisions against gangs and criminals provides a certain amount of cover against the political opposition in favor of sanctuary cities which is not inconsiderable.

With upwards of 30 million or perhaps 40 million illegal aliens in America it is politically impossible to sell a program which envisions "kicking down doors" and forcibly deporting tens of millions of people. The left will instantly raise images of boxcars on their way to Auschwitz. So how do you get rid of all of these otherwise law-abiding illegals? Romney said it but was clobbered for saying it: let them self deport. Self deportation is the only viable answer but it must be politically palatable.

There are only two reasons for them to stay in America, welfare benefits and/or employment. Obviously, to get them to self deport one must remove both of those props. To Trump's credit he wants to take away benefits from illegals but of course that runs into trouble with several Supreme Court decisions as well as Congress.

But Trump is not explicit with respect to ending employment. Is he guarding himself from attacks from the left? He mentions e-verify but ambiguously:

"Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans." (Emphasis supplied)

But what does this mean? E-verify as a system is spotty and its application in some states it has been rendered inoperative if not illegal, and not well enforced. Does "nationwide" mean that it will be applied to every state? To all private employers? Clearly, unless the incentive of employment is removed ICE will be hopelessly reduced to shoveling flies, overwhelmed by numbers, backlogged in the courts, ultimately swamped by birthright citizenship coupled with chain migration.

My point is is just the opposite of this article. I question whether conservatives should have faith that Trump will actually deport illegal aliens who are not criminals and who are not, coming over the wall? Will he deport visa jumpers? Will he chase them down? Will he make e-verify ubiquitous and impose sanctions on employers? Why has he not been explicit?

[DaveA37]

“....hundreds, if not thousands of families are torn apart daily by Children’s Services.”.......

Many of these “families” are torn apart to protect the children or a spouse from physical abuse, etc. which is NOT THE SAME as someone who is here ILLEGALY, although some of them may fall into that category.

[Catsrus]

That is true, however, when parents lose their children through illegal acts, to me, that is the same as an illegal coming here to have a baby. Key word - illegal. Either we are a nation of laws, or we don’t have a nation. Is physical abuse or neglect a crime in the eyes of the court? Of course, it is, as is coming here illegally to have an anchor baby is a crime.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Let the MSM employees provide proof. Here's a copy of what was published as part of Mr. Trump's plan.

Maybe the MSM employees support the Hispanic gangbangers that's who they defend against the evil Americans.

[quote]

• Mandatory return of all criminal aliens.
  • The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone.
  • All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries,
  • a process which can be aided by
    • canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and
    • making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
• Detention—not catch-and-release.
  • Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home,
  • no more catch-and-release.
• Defund sanctuary cities.
  • Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
• Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa.
  • Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but
    • refuse to leave,
    • without consequence.
  • This is a threat to national security.
  • Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties;
  • this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive.
  • Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
• Cooperate with local gang task forces.
  • ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs
    • like MS-13 and
    • the 18th street gang,
  • which have terrorized the country.
  • All illegal aliens in gangs should be
    • apprehended and
    • deported.
  • Again, quoting Chris Crane:
    • “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive,
      • not to children in schools, but
      • to adult inmates in jails.
    • If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility,
    • ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community.
    • This includes serious criminals
      • who have committed felonies,
      • who have assaulted officers, and
      • who prey on children…
    • ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in
      • jails and
      • prisons,
    • since these aliens
      • not only violated immigration laws, but
      • then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police;
    • ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with
      • criminal convictions,
      • DUI convictions, or
      • a gang affiliation;
    • ICE should be working with
      • any state or
      • local drug or
      • gang task force
    • that asks for such assistance.”
• End birthright citizenship.
  • This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration.
  • By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy,
  • including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

[end quote]

Then it goes on to support American citizen and legal resident vs. illegal Aliens and imported foreign workers.

[Guenevere]

Trump had me at..
....I will build a wall so big....huge.....and I will build it in record time....

I don’t remember anyone serious about this except Duncan Hunter, the father......years and years ago......and then they just ignored him....reappropriated the money or whatever

[lowbridge]

Bump

[Mollypitcher1]

I remember Duncan Hunter well. Used to read his reports on the sad state of supporting our our Military. Glad to see his son continuing in his place. Just wish son was as outspoken as father was.
If I’m not mistaken, Hunter,Sr. did achieve some form of a wall.........of a certain distance.

[FreeReign]

My point is is just the opposite of this article. I question whether conservatives should have faith that Trump will actually deport illegal aliens who are not criminals and who are not, coming over the wall? Will he deport visa jumpers? Will he chase them down? Will he make e-verify ubiquitous and impose sanctions on employers? Why has he not been explicit?

I think you are correct.

Some on both the left and right think Trump will be deporting the non criminals en masse, which is not the case.

To me it looks like a self "deportation" plan.