Posted on 08/23/2015 5:35:15 AM PDT by Kaslin
I am in favor of a double fence with a road in between, heavily patrolled with heavily armed personnel, in large numbers and very mobile.
NO AMNESTY of any kind PERIOD!
Exactly. ANYTHING that permits those who illegally crossed the border to benefit from that illegal act - and this proposal does just that - IS AMNESTY. And is one of the major magnetic draws that keep the illegal flood coming. Those proposing such have to be made to explain what incentive this provides to the hundreds of millions who have yet to make the journey. Does it discourage them from the effort OR does it show yet again that there is indeed a great prize to be won at the end of the trip.
You mean like the second graphic that I posted?
As a Payroll Supervisor in the mid-70’s, I have seen the illegal work pattern up close.
They use a compound last name such as Lopez-Gomez.
When it becomes clear that this person is using a non-matching name & Social Security number, this person already has moved on & is now using the same number, but becomes Gomez-Lopez as his/her last name. Those who support the invasion of the illegals actually tutor these people in the requirements of moving from job to job before they get a caught by a written notification from SS to the employer. That led to the birth of E-Verify, which is supposed to be a 24 hour time of information.
UNTIL this country takes a hard stand against the illegals, we will continue to deteriorate. I lived in So Calif for 29 years, and saw this happen. I will NEVER go back.
>>>It’s interesting to me that Texas, Arizona, and California - three states complaining the most about illegal immigrants - are three states which do not require employers to use e-verify to check legal status. I wonder why?
I didn’t know that...interesting.
>>>You penalize the legal as well as the illegal, and not all illegal aliens are from Mexico. Some 40% of them come from countries other than Mexico. What about them?
As for penalizing the legal, I’d be willing to bet that’s a minority of wire transfers to Mexico or anywhere south of Texas. As for those from other countries, I’ve amended my original plan to say anywhere south of Texas, not just Mexico, I thought that was included. Anyone sending money south of Texas, same terms. If it’s legitimate, sorry, start complaining to your govt. I know it sounds pretty cold, but this problem is big enough we have to take a tough stand. Some innocent money transfers might be more expensive, but as I said, I think it will be a minority.
>>>That makes illegal residency a criminal offense rather than a civil one. That would require jury trials, bail, appeals, and all the rest.
Illegal RE entry should be a criminal offense. If you’ve already been sent back and refuse to stay there, time for a more restricted lifestyle. 1st time, just send them back. Since they are not American citizens, I don’t see where anyone gets the idea they have rights, I think the bill of rights says citizens, not anyone and everyone. I may be wrong...but the ones caught at the border should be immediately turned around and sent back with no further ado. Fingerprint and send back. Then if you come back again you’re a criminal.
Yeah I’m a hard ass about it, but I’ve seen first hand the problems caused by illegal immigrants. My tools have been stolen, and other things, I live in Texas and see illegal immigrants working every day while I can’t find a job, (and working jobs I’d love to have) I’ve seen them claim to not speak English then laugh when you walk away...I’ve seen the ghettos after 2 years of occupation by illegal immigrants, I’ve seen 15 living in a 2 bedroom apartment next door...throwing beer cans in my yard, the manager tried to force me to pick them up and I refused...and that’s just the surface. I’m sick of it after more than 30 years...
I also see no reason anything should be printed in Spanish, we speak English here. Know what you see in south of the border printed in English? Coke and McDonalds...that’s about it.
sounds like amnesty to me too
NEWS FLASH, Derek——Illegals are already collecting Medical in California. Since there is a very poor records system in Mexico & other countries south of us. I don’t see how ANY of these illegals could be “checked out”.
Use Rent/Eminent Domain to control 100 yards at the border.
Establish a line on the border, use a simple wire.
Have some towers 100 yards back.
Between is a clear, sand, SECURE MILITARY ZONE “No-Mans Land”.
Kill everything that moves, Animal, Vegetable, Mineral.
Bring back “Operation Wetback” or similar.
Deport them all.
No “Travel Papers”? GitMo ‘em.
No birthright citizenship for those here illegally or without Permanent Resident status.
End chain migration.
Bring in the world’s best and brightest looking for an opportunity to work, thrive and succeed in freedom, what the US needs, what the Statue of Liberty what actually referring to with “those yearning to breath free”.
The rest can be “Dreamers” were they sit
It can be done easily, if there is a will to do it
So if you've already broken the law, and taken a job from an American, and kept wages lower than they otherwise would be... then you get rewarded.
And what about the family members of an employed person?
Arizona requires e-verify and has employer sanctions.
Yes, that basic concept. Two parallel fences , with sensors and heavily armed and very mobile personnel in between.
Fines - Fine every employer caught hiring illegal immigrants, I’d say $10,000 per person.”””
Wire Transfers.....
The fine for hiring an illegal is already $5000 per employee PER DAY. It is not being enforced.
Take 50% of every dime going to any country south of our border & set a high transfer fee on every Western Union transaction, also. Make it so expensive that it stops.
Do a better job of catching & prosecuting the drug cartel workers who are destroying our National lands with their Marijuana grows. Somehow, Los Angeles County deputies found $1.2 million in plants & took them out, but ‘missed’ the workers who still had breakfast cooking at their camp site. These cartel workers are very dangerous & they are getting scattered into the general population of the USA.
While the USA goes after cash deposits by legal & correct businesses, they could do a better job of tracing purchases of irrigation tubing, which can run to thousands of feet in these illegal drug cartel growing sites.
News Flash to you. I didn’t state anywhere in my post that they were.
I thought it was understood that Consulate staff had diplomatic status and therefore their dependents were not subject to the jurisdiction of our laws.
You seemed to have missed the main point, but then you usually do.
It’s interesting to me that Texas, Arizona, and California - three states complaining the most about illegal immigrants - are three states which do not require employers to use e-verify to check legal status. I wonder why?”””
NEWS to me that such a restriction exists. I paid payrolls in Calif as a bookkeeper for a very long time, & at one time was a Payroll Supervisor.
We were very careful & still had a problem. The ‘records’ of persons from south of the border cannot be checked against the information their home countries can supply. I don’t think there is much in the way of personal records in any of those places. The drug cartels know more about who they are hiring than any American employer can find out, IMO.
Money transfers need to have a 50% fee—for any money going south of our borders. Also a large fee from Western Union. No exceptions. DAMN few “legal” Western Union transfers are involved. For any of those living in the western part of the USA, go to your local Western Union location on a Friday-Sat-or Sun & see the LINES of Hispanic people lined up to send money south.
Hard to get states that are giving our driver’s licenses & MediCal to illegals to pay attention to our concerns.
You didn’t think there were such illegals in your area? They can come out of hiding for their payday transfers .....I have seen such up close. Was stunned at the numbers.
In “countries such as Mexico where an American citizen decides to be a “legal” emigree to Mexico never mind being a seasonal visitor.
They are denied voting privledges. Ownership of land in their own name, and selected access to government services.
Worse if entering that country illegaly. No jobs, face steep fines and jail time before getting kicked out. Beside being denied use of government services, including; income and energy subsistance, food stamps, or bringing in family members ,or legal assistance paid by taxpayers .
We should not allow any such citizenship privledges to illegals who are from countries such as Mexico that deny to a legal American immigrant full citizenship privledges.
By strictly enforcing reciprocal citizenship treating illegals the way Mexico treat its illegals watch em leave on their own accord .
GW worked undyingly to his last day trying to force the border open to Mexican trucks.ut he was a conservative. </s>
I work in health care in south Florida. You are spot on with the name changing game. It irks me to have to provide taxpayer funded services to people I know are gaming the system.
You missed a step:
0 - End the welfare state. Return to a service base economy: You use hospitals/schools/services, you PAY for hospitals/schools/services. This ONE step would solve, IMO, 90% of the illegal ‘problem’.
Though, I’m not for the E-verify: govt has no authority in the say/where/when one is hired for employment (IE: approval/license). You can’t be for the Const. in one area and subvert it in the next instance.
I am TOTALLY for the ‘hits’ one would take as an illegal: make it HURT, and hurt financially.
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