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Dershowitz: Undemocratic Tactics and Bigoted Arguments Have Stifled Iran Nuclear Deal Debate
Algemeiner ^ | September 11, 2015 | Alan Dershowitz

Posted on 09/11/2015 4:37:53 PM PDT by SJackson

When I was growing up, “filibuster” was a dirty word. It was a tactic used by bigoted southern Senators to prevent the enactment of any civil rights legislation. I recall Senator Strom Thurman babbling on for 24 hours in an effort to keep the south racially segregated. We regarded the filibuster as the enemy of democracy and the weapon of choice against civil rights.

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Yet, President Obama and his followers in the senate deployed this undemocratic weapon in order to stifle real debate about the nuclear deal with Iran and to prevent the up or down vote promised by the Corker bill. A President, who was more confident of the deal, would have welcomed the Lincoln-Douglas type debates that I and others had called for regarding the most important foreign policy decision of the 21st century. But instead of arguments on the merits and demerits of the deal, what we mostly got was ad hominems. Proponents of the deal trotted out famous names of those who supported the deal, without detailed arguments about why they took that position. No wonder so few Americans support the deal. According to a recent Pew poll approximately one in five Americans think the deal is a good one. The President had an obligation to use his bully pulpit to try to obtain majority support among voters. Not only did he fail to do that, he also failed to persuade a majority of Senate and House members. So this minority deal will go into operation over the objection of a majority of our legislators and voters.

One of the low points of this debate was a variation on the ad hominem fallacy. It was the argument by religious or ethnic identity. Supporters of the deal tried to get as many prominent Jews as they could to sign ads and petitions in favor of the deal. The implicit argument was, “See, even Jews support this deal, so it must be good for Israel,” despite the reality that the vast majority of Israelis and almost all of its political leaders believe the deal is bad for Israel.

The absolute low point in the non-debate was a New York Times chart, identifying opponents of the deal by whether they were Jewish or Gentile. The implication was that Jews who opposed the deal must be more loyal to their Jewish constituents or to Israel than Americans who supported the deal. But the chart itself made little sense. It turns out that the vast majority of democratic Congressmen who voted against the deal were not Jewish, and several of them represented districts in which less than 1% of the voters were Jewish. It is true that two out of the four democratic senators who voted against the deal were identified as Jews, but one of the non-Jewish Senators represents West Virginia where Jewish voters constituted less than one tenth of one percent of the voting population. Moreover, opposition to this deal is considerably greater among evangelical Christians than among Jews.

Identifying by their religion members of Congress who voted against a deal that the Times strongly supported is, as the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) aptly put it, more than a dog whistle; it is a bull horn. It plays squarely into anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jews having dual loyalty. Will the Times next identify bankers, media moguls, journalists and professors by their religious identity? Would the Times have done that for other ethnic, religious or gender groups?

This has been a bad month for democracy, for serious debate and for the treatment of all Americans as equally capable of deciding important issue on their merits and demerits. Whether it also turns out to have been a bad month for peace and nuclear non-proliferation remains to be seen. But even those who support the deal should be ashamed of some of the undemocratic tactics and bigoted arguments employed to avoid a real debate and a majority vote.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dershowitz; finalirandeal; obamairan
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1 posted on 09/11/2015 4:37:53 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Nice piece, but you voted for him Alan.


2 posted on 09/11/2015 4:40:45 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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We regarded the filibuster as the enemy of democracy and the weapon of choice against civil rights.

I don't agree that the filibuster is an enemy of democracy, though the currently allowed fake ones are. Get up there and talk for a day.

Weapon of choice against civil rights, yes. A Democrat weapon against civil rights. A Democrat weapon against Israel.

3 posted on 09/11/2015 4:41:06 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: SJackson

He’s a dictator with no love or regard for the US. I HATE him.

We KNOW he would LOVE to see a nuke go off in NYC.

I Never thought I would say that about a US pResident.


4 posted on 09/11/2015 4:43:47 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: VTenigma

Ditto


5 posted on 09/11/2015 4:43:49 PM PDT by BigEdLB
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To: VTenigma

I’m not suggesting that’s OK, clearly Alan’s assessment of the President was wrong. At least on some issues. But I’m OK with people changing their mind, particularly when accompanied by a coherent argument. Don’t know about Alan, but plenty of people in his position would vote for him again, there being other more important issues than nuclear arms in the hands of terrorists.


6 posted on 09/11/2015 4:44:13 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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7 posted on 09/11/2015 4:47:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SJackson

Exactly what I thought about Jimmy Stewart in Mr Deeds Goes To Washington. A bigoted filibuster speech about the boys club.


8 posted on 09/11/2015 4:50:52 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: SJackson
Its a little too late for that Professor. If anybody knew about the left and race baiting it should have been you. Johnny Cochrane is probably smiling in his grave.

If the liberal cause fits, you must submit!
9 posted on 09/11/2015 4:54:55 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: VTenigma

It’s all the better that he voted for him, in a way. He’ll be a convert, and they (we) see most clearly.


10 posted on 09/11/2015 4:55:36 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: SJackson
The President had an obligation to use his bully pulpit to try to obtain majority support among voters.

He just didn't care. A crammed down back room deal was easier than going through the effort of attempting to persuade the public. Heaven forbid that some lame going through the motions "public debate" was attempted.

11 posted on 09/11/2015 4:56:46 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Kid Shelleen

12 posted on 09/11/2015 4:57:00 PM PDT by nascarnation (C. Edmund Wright says I'm a moron)
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To: SJackson

Dershowitz: Yet, President Obama and his followers in the senate deployed this undemocratic weapon in order to stifle real debate about the nuclear deal with Iran and to prevent the up or down vote promised by the Corker bill.
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Does ANYONE here at FR or any Senator or Congressman or McConnell or Boehner not realize that the Dem threat to filibuster the “up or down vote promised by the Corker bill” guaranteed an Obama victory?

Filibuster was always an option. There was never a doubt that the filibuster threat would be used. There was never ANY POSSIBILITY that the GOP could get the 60 votes to override the Dems and force a vote. And even if they could there is no chance that the votes would be there to override an Obama veto.

Corker is a joke, doomed from the get-go to generate show-votes. In all other regards it was designed to fail.

I’m really tired of this.


13 posted on 09/11/2015 4:58:12 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Kid Shelleen

you know that Dershowitz has been out front opposing this deal for a while - felt so strongly he even wrote a book outlining his arguments. he’s right on this one and is man enough to take on the prez - which a lot of others failed to do.


14 posted on 09/11/2015 4:59:25 PM PDT by avital2
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To: Kid Shelleen

you know that Dershowitz has been out front opposing this deal for a while - felt so strongly he even wrote a book outlining his arguments. he’s right on this one and is man enough to take on the prez - which a lot of others failed to do.


15 posted on 09/11/2015 4:59:25 PM PDT by avital2
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To: SJackson

The ends justify the means. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet....


16 posted on 09/11/2015 5:02:24 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: SJackson
Moreover, opposition to this deal is considerably greater among evangelical Christians than among Jews.

Jesus taught that a lot of Jews claiming to be Jews are not Jews.

17 posted on 09/11/2015 5:08:34 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: SJackson
"….those who support the deal should be ashamed of some of the undemocratic tactics and bigoted arguments employed to avoid a real debate and a majority vote."

Applies to pretty much every "accomplishment" from the hussein administration.

18 posted on 09/11/2015 5:14:08 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: SJackson

Who the hell is Senator “Strom Thurman”?


19 posted on 09/11/2015 5:14:41 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: avital2
My point is that since he has been surrounded by leftys and radicals his whole life maybe he should have not supported Obama for presidency TWICE.

20 posted on 09/11/2015 5:16:41 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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