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To: Ohioan

[[it would be very clear that social values & moral issues were never supposed to involve the Federal Government.]]

Oh we’ve read them and it’s very clear that God and morality were a HUGE part of our foundations and the federal government-

[[Rather than despair, let us reason together]]

It’s precisely because we’ve done that, and NOT fighting the scourge of immorality creeping in) that we’re in this position- NOONE stood up In the early days of the push for ‘homosexual rights’ to state that homosexuality IS a perversion that does NOT deserve constitutional protections anymore than pedophilia does- or bestiality- ALL of which are considered abominations-

By ‘being reasonable’ we’ve allowed homosexuality to be taken off the list of abominations- and now we’re being FORCED to accept this irreligious secularism to trump our universal moral rights and obligations!

Reason? Yep- it’s done us so much ‘good’- so much infact that our supreme court just makes up the constitution as it goes along-


18 posted on 09/14/2015 10:18:06 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”

Here are more references to God found in the document:
Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God”
Appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World”
With a firm Reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence”

The body of the Constitution makes no reference to God. The Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath. The President was given 10 days to sign a bill into law. The counting of the 10 days does not include the Sabbath. This is found in Article 1, Section 7, and Clause 2 which in part follows:

“If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law,”

When the Constitution was completed on September 17, 1787, it was signed by the delegates then to be ratified by the states. The delegates signed the Constitution in the “Year of our Lord.”

When the United States became a nation, it was done in the “name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” The preamble to this Treat states it is based upon the “Holy and undivided Trinity.”

http://www.internationalcopsforchrist.com/proof-that-america-was-founded-as-a-christian-nation/

At the time of the founding, 99.8% of the population of the fledgling country identified themselves, to one degree of sincerity or another, as followers of Jesus Christ. And 98.4% identified themselves as Protestants. Catholics represented 1.4% of the population, and the other 0.2% were followers of Judaism. Virtually 100% of those living in America at the time of its founding were adherents of the Judeo-Christian tradition

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/140621

on and on it goes- While God isn’t specifically mentioned in the constitution, many of the bills and documents and writing leading up to the constitution made it very clear we were a CHristian nation and that our founders were very serious about including Christianity in our government- The constitution itself PROTECTS the right for ALL people, Even people within our government to practice their faith openly and without fear, and many major documents leading up to the constitution make it more than clear enough that our founders viewed God and religion as a necessary part of government


19 posted on 09/14/2015 10:32:59 AM PDT by Bob434
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Where in the Constitution is there any authority to alter the moral values of any State? You are winging it, with contradictory statements.

The oxymoron of "same-sex" marriage, even if it had some rational meaning--which it does not, as the whole function of marriage has always been to sanctify the mating of man & woman;--does not involve anything delegated to the Federal Government in the Constitution; and outside the District of Columbia and the Federal territories, the very subject of marriage is not in any sense within the Federal purview.

The reasoning together, that I refer to, involves the reasoning process. Those advocating the abomination that you denounce, have not been reasoning with anyone. They have been pontificating--as frankly you are pontificating, even though I agree with you that the Leftist position is the scourge that you denounce;--rather than being forced to actually reason.

My point is that the "same sex" marriage oxymoron will simply not bear reasoned analysis. It bears no rational relationship to the immemorial purpose or function of marriage.

20 posted on 09/14/2015 10:53:41 AM PDT by Ohioan
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