http://www.janes.com/article/54531/chief-designer-reveals-data-on-china-s-new-luoyang-pl-10-aam
Posted on 09/21/2015 6:25:25 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Rumors about China’s latest PL-10 short-range air-to-air missile have been circling for the last two years. Speaking during a Chinese television interview, the missile’s chief designer revealed that the missile is nearly complete, and offered new key details.
Designed by the Luoyang Electro-Optical Research Institute (LEOC), images of the fifth-generation PL-10 first surfaced in 2013. Carried onboard the J-20 fighter, the missiles have also been seen on the J-11, a copy of the Russian Su-27.
Based purely on those photos, experts were able to confirm that the PL-10 utilizes thrust vectoring. Its large fins also likely give the missile high rates of maneuverability, and it may feature a helmet-mounted display sighting system.
Speaking on a Chinese television broadcast last month, Liang Xiaogeng was able to provide more concrete details.
Weighing in at nearly 200 pounds, the 10-foot PL-10 features "world-class" capabilities. After being in development for the past seven years, the missile has a range of 12 miles.
According to Liang, the missile also includes "multi-element imaging infrared seeker with anti-jamming capabilities" and off-boresight attacks.
So far, the PL-10 has already been successfully test-fired 30 times.
This isn’t Liang’s first rodeo. He’s also worked on LEOC’s PL-9C, an infrared/helmet-sighted air-to-air missile, and served as chief designer for the medium-range PL-12.
Liang’s interview came only days before the September 3 military parade in Beijing highlighted the Chinese military’s latest developments. With over 500 units of military hardware and 200 aircraft, the event showed off a number of previously classified ballistic and cruise missiles.
“Much of the weaponry on display – all of it said to be in service in the People’s Liberation Army – will be new, the product of a military modernization drive aimed at ensuring that China can never again be attacked with impunity or overrun by foreign invaders,” retired US Ambassador Chas W. Freeman told Sputnik.
The advanced PL-10s, equipped onboard the maneuverable J-11s, could be a highly effective combination.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150917/1027161668/PL-10-Missile.html#ixzz3mNaJEqqi
http://www.janes.com/article/54531/chief-designer-reveals-data-on-china-s-new-luoyang-pl-10-aam
The V-2 used thrust vectoring.
Looks a lot like our AIM-9 “Sidewinder” to me. I worked on them back in my USAF days.
.........I could be wrong but I think that by the time a Chinese Fighter gets within 200 miles of an F35 it’s dead!
Anyone feel free to correct me on that.
Aren’t our current rules of engagement that you must first be fired on, AND get permission from Washington before you can shoot?
It actually looks far more similar to the German Iris-T than it does to the Sidewinder.
Lol, like was proven on 9-11 and elsewhere since, a lot of the time our oh so wise rulers won’t allow the fighters to take off with real guns and bullets!
As to your question, I think your probably right but I don’t know for sure.
Real world? Make it 20 miles and an F-22. BVR missile shots, in theory, mean that aircraft can shoot each other even from distances ranging beyond 60 miles (and in some cases, over 100). In reality, however, the truth is much different. Many times the ROE require solid identification, which is why the vast majority of radar missile shots have been in WVR and not BVR. Additionally, probability of kill (Pk) rapidly drops in BVR shots, particularly against a maneuvering jet with a RWR (and thus knowing when it has been painted and locked on), and that is not flying directly towards you. A quick search on the Pks (actual operational Pks and not 'theoretical possibilities') will show the difference between what is possible and what is real world (eg, real world AIM54 Phoenix performance was horrid, the Aim7 Sparrow had Pk below 35%, and most AMRAAM shots were WVR).
Now, when you have the Raptor, flying high and fast and with targeting provided by another Raptor operating forward of the shooting jet and illuminating the target with its LPI AESA and doing mid course corrections, true BVR shots in the multiple dozens of miles are truly possible.
But never 200 miles, and not with the F-35, and definitely not at a distance that takes into account how close the F-35 would have to be to China given its range. Stealth can only help the 35 so much (an interesting read would be a DARPA study on F-22s, a much more capable plane than the F-35, operating against Chinese fighters. The study should still be available on the Internet, and in essence has F-22s that have missiles that never miss operating against Chinese Sukhois that miss a lot and cannot win one on one against the Raptor in the simulation - as in real life - but still, all raptors get shot down as there are too many Chinese planes, and the Chinese jets shoot down the refueling tankers for the Raptors, leading to the F-22s running out of fuel and crashing into the sea).
An engagement that would have F-35s flying against China, be it at 200 or 20 miles, means a big mistake was done.
With that said, China currently has nothing that can stand against the F-15E or modernized 'Golden eagle' F-15Cs, let alone Raptors and 35s. Not even the two Chinese stealth fighters (the J-20 and J-31). Maybe someday, but in reality (and not expected possibility) the US is ahead ...considerably.
The F-35 would still be dead in Chinese airspace all the same.
Anyone feel free to correct me on that."
I do believe the situation would not even come up as I doubt America's leadership, now or in the future, will ever be able or willing to challenge China. I fear Obama has transformed America that much, especially by gutting the military.
Even then, 200 miles is WAY beyond consideration.
And, if the J-20 performs up to it's design projections, the F-35 may NEVER be capable of defeating it.
As it is, the F-35 will not defeat ANY 4th of 5th gen fighter. The Marines declaring IOC is laughable, if not downright criminal.
Thank you very much for correcting my thoughts. You obviously know a lot more than I do.
I wonder do you agree that spending 1 Trillion on “just a few” fighter planes was dumb?
......thanks......”spetznatz” got me straightened out on that!
......well, we can’t give up hope of turning this mess around............
.........thanks for your comments
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