Posted on 09/25/2015 6:47:20 AM PDT by Red Badger
In the wake of the VW diesel scandal, German magazine Autobild found the Euro-market BMW X3 xDrive 20d also exceeds emissions limits by a significant amount.
Volkswagen's unfolding diesel emissions crisis may prove to involve other automakers as well: German magazine Autobild reports that a German-market, diesel-powered BMW X3 xDrive 20d put out 11 times the legal limit of pollution in a test commissioned by the magazine. (Update below)
Automotive News, which translated the Autobild report, explains that the BMW was tested by the International Council on Clean Transportation, the same group whose findings led U.S. regulators to investigate Volkswagen's U.S. diesel models.
Over at Jalopnik, Máté Petrány reports that the Euro-spec X3 tested by the magazine put out 11.88 times the Euro 6 limit for NOx emissions—slightly worse than a U.S.-spec Passat TDI tested by the magazine, but almost half of the emissions produced by a U.S.-spec Jetta TDI and a Euro-spec Audi A8 3.0 TDI included in the test.
BMW denied the report, saying in a statement that "there is no function to recognize emissions testing cycles at BMW. All emissions systems remain active outside the testing cycle." BMW shares dropped nearly 10 percent in European trading as a result of the report.
In the wake of the ongoing diesel emissions crisis, the European Union urged all 28 member-countries to open investigations into real-world vehicle emissions. The German transport ministry vowed to conduct spot-checks on Volkswagens and other manufacturers alike, Bloomberg Business reports.
Meanwhile at Volkswagen, the resignation of CEO Martin Winterkorn seems to be only the first executive-level departure: Bloomberg reports that Audi development chief Ulrich Hackenberg and Porsche development head Wolfgang Hatz will leave the company. The VW Group will announce Winterkorn's replacement tomorrow.
Update: BMW contacted R&T with a statement of clarification from Autobild on how it obtained the reportest test results. "The emission values of a BMW X3 xdrive 20d sent to AUTO BILD by the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had been supplied to ICCT by British test institute Emissions Analytics," the statement reads in part. "The values mentioned in the document were only generated in a single, one hour-long road test. Auto BILD has no access to the details of this test trail, which might explain the discrepancies to the test cycle NEDC.
"In light of the VW emission scandal, AUTO BILD deems it of utmost importance to emphasize that the communicated emission value of the tested BMW X3 is by no means proof of manipulation or the existence of a defeat device as found in the vehicles of VW [. . .] AUTO BILD never intended to accuse BMW of manipulating emission levels."
Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....
If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL ”KnOcK” LIST jut FReepmail me..... This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....
The root of the problem seems to be a round off error between anglo and metric values for the exhaust gas makeup
This will get hyped as there will be no vehicles in the diesel category that perform on a static dyne and on the road in the same manner.
The real question is what other companies have a computer set performance that can recognize it is off the dyno and then give better power or consumption at the expense of emissions?
This is gonna be a gazillion times bigger..class action lawsuits will be launched in a flash...and you'll be able to pick up a 1-2 year old VW for a pittance..
Why doesn't government pass a law repealing friction and air resistance. Oh and they can repeal gravity too while they're at it. Makes as much sense as these absurd mileage and emissions standards.
Europe is being invaded by its oldest enemies, the middle east is collapsing, the EU economy is on the brink and...what they worry about is a miscalibration on exhaust gases?
It’s likely the EPA was demanding standards that could not be kept by anybody.
It is being reported that Mercedes (some models) and GM (specifically the Cruze diesel) may have employed similar programming.
Until a few years ago, diesel technology was being jointly developed by Mercedes and the VW group.
Back when Obozo’s minions first came to power, in 2009, their Environmental nutcases had a meeting with the automakers representatives.
When they were informed that the mileage and pollution standards were going to be severely tightened, one representative said that you couldn’t do that because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
The Obozoids replied, “Who made that law? We’ll get it repealed.”
The automotive engineer could only shake his head in absolute astonishment................................
Sorry Red, “clean’ diesel has been dealt a death blow in the US.
I will be very interested in the Cruze diesel re-tests.
See post #6....................
“Over at Jalopnik, Máté Petrány reports that the Euro-spec X3 tested by the magazine put out 11.88 times the Euro 6 limit for NOx”
Bert 12x is not a rounding or conversion error.
Sadly so has ‘Clean Coal’.......................................
However, I'll be keeping a close eye on the market. If I can pick up a nice VW Passat or maybe an Audi A3/A4 cheap... I don't particularly care if they are "de-tuned" and considered under powered from their "emissions cavalier" forms. I don't tend to drive very aggressively anyway - not in an 8 year old clapped-out stock hatchback anyway. ;-/
I’ve told this story before. One of my buds is a certified licensed BMW mechanic and he says NEVER buy a BMW. Especially the 3 and 5 series, they;re the worst and they just make money for repair shops.
I don't think so. These cars are getting better mileage than they are supposed to, so they might actually go UP!.......................
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