Posted on 10/19/2015 8:37:11 PM PDT by robowombat
It’s not that the truth about bin Laden’s death is unknowable; it’s that we don’t know it. And we can’t necessarily console ourselves with the hope that we will have more answers any time soon; to this day, the final volume of the C.I.A.’s official history of the Bay of Pigs remains classified. We don’t know what happened more than a half-century ago, much less in 2011.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
With THIS regime, I trust NOTHING.
Can you synopsize for us ?
Unknowable? Kenny Bunk had a pretty good idea.
A bit late for the media to start vetting Obama.
‘The story stunk from Day 1,’’ Hersh told me. ......
Within days of the bin Laden raid, Hersh told me, ‘‘I knew there was a big story there.’’ He spent the next four years, on and off, trying to get it. What he wound up publishing, this May in The London Review of Books, was no incremental effort to poke a few holes in the administration’s story. It was a 10,000-word refutation of the entire official narrative, sourced largely to a retired U.S. senior intelligence official, with corroboration from two ‘‘longtime consultants to the Special Operations Command.’’ Hersh confidently walked readers through an alternate version of all the familiar plot points in a dispassionate, just-the-facts tone, turning a story of patient perseverance, careful planning and derring-do into one of luck (good and bad), damage control and opportunism.
Hersh, who is 78, was reluctant to cooperate when I told him that I was interested in writing about his article. .....He wanted me to follow up on his reporting instead and suggested that I might start by looking into Pakistan’s radar system, which he said was far too sophisticated to allow two U.S. helicopters to enter the country’s airspace undetected. (‘‘Those dimwitted third-world guys just can’t get anything right,’’ he wrote sarcastically, meaning of course the Pakistanis would have been aware of two military helicopters flying into the heart of their country.) Hersh, who worked at The New York Times for seven years in the 1970s, didn’t think the paper would allow me to take his claims seriously. ‘‘If you did so,’’ he wrote, ‘‘you better be sure not to let your wife start the car for the next few months.’’ But after a little prodding, he relented and spent the better part of a day with me, describing his reporting as thoroughly as he felt he could without compromising his sources.
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Hersh’s most consequential claim was about how bin Laden was found in the first place. It was not years of painstaking intelligence-gathering, he wrote, that led the United States to the courier and, ultimately, to bin Laden. Instead, the location was revealed by a ‘‘walk-in’’ — a retired Pakistani intelligence officer who was after the $25 million reward that the United States had promised anyone who helped locate him. For that matter, bin Laden was hardly ‘‘in hiding’’ at all; his compound in Abbottabad was actually a safe house, maintained by the Pakistani intelligence service. When the United States confronted Pakistani intelligence officials with this information, Hersh wrote, they eventually acknowledged it was true and even conceded to provide a DNA sample to prove it.
According to Hersh’s version, then, the daring raid wasn’t especially daring. The Pakistanis allowed the U.S. helicopters into their airspace and cleared out the guards at the compound before the SEALs arrived. Hersh’s sources told him the United States and Pakistani intelligence officials agreed that Obama would wait a week before announcing that bin Laden had been killed in a ‘‘drone strike somewhere in the mountains on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border.’’ But the president was forced to go public right away, because the crash and subsequent destruction of the Black Hawk — among the rare facts in the official story that Hersh does not dispute — were going to make it impossible to keep the operation under wraps.
As if those assertions weren’t significant enough, Hersh went on to make some even wilder claims. He wrote, for instance, that bin Laden had not been given a proper Islamic burial at sea; the SEALs threw his remains out of their helicopter. He claimed not just that the Pakistanis had seized bin Laden in 2006, but that Saudi Arabia had paid for his upkeep in the years that followed, and that the United States had instructed Pakistan to arrest an innocent man who was a sometime C.I.A. asset as the fall guy for the major in the Pakistani Army who had collected bin Laden’s DNA sample.
All I know is they should have taken him alive, sent him to Gitmo for proper waterboarding and thrown him off the Top of the new WTC Building into a Vat of Pig Blood the day the Building was finished.
Bookmark for later read. Looks interesting.
all too pat....
throwing him in the ocean?....that made no sense...
and no one questioned it...
all of those Navy seals murdered IMO by somebody who didn't want them alive to tell their story....
I am more prone to say that Osama was killed during the Bush administration but they opted to keep it quiet so as not to rouse the muzzies...
Do the Night Stalkers fly Spec Ops groups? How would they crash one of their birds with top-of-the-line avionics?
Exactly.....
Wait...SEYMOUR HERSCH..?
Isn’t he a huge, huge liberal...?
“He claimed not just that the Pakistanis had seized bin Laden in 2006, but that Saudi Arabia had paid for his upkeep in the years that followed.”
That is the connection that makes the whole Obama narrative on the bin Laden raid suspect and raises the question, why was bin Laden no longer of use to the White House and the Saudis?
Geeeeeee .. where have people been.
We surely do know about bin laden. We have had interview after interview with the man who shot bin Laden. The man has stood at the WTC memorial and talked to people and shook people’s hands and hugged people who lost family in the WTC.
Where on God’s green earth have these people been hiding ..??
So, just to clarify, what we know is what the man who is alleged to have killed him has said in interviews and what that same man has done publicly since that time.
That doesn’t sound to me like I actually know anything about Bin Laden’s death.
The Biden apologists are coming out in force to squelch any bad $hit about Biden and his exposure of Seal Team 6.
I think some of the members have already been killed and maybe some family members too.
Trump should jump on this like stink on $hit and do it real soon before we are beat down with lies and distortions like we have been with Hillary.
I say Trump should do it because I think he's the only one with the balls to do it and he can be the most effective.
the muzzies are already aroused, whether ABL is dead or not - it’s all a sham to keep our country deeply entrenched in this unadulterated bullshit.
Would it help if we drew you a picture ..??
It might be a little hard to look at .. seeing as how he shot him in the middle of his forehead (3 taps) .. a little messy maybe. But, he was buried at sea.
Why people can’t accept that .. is beyond me. I guess anything is possible .. and you seem to be saying that no matter what people say, you’ll never be convinced bin Laden is dead .. unless you see his dead body.
Good luck with that ..!!
You believe what the government says?
“Why people can’t accept that .. is beyond me. I guess anything is possible .. and you seem to be saying that no matter what people say, you’ll never be convinced bin Laden is dead .. unless you see his dead body.”
Of course not. Why would I believe anything said about this by anyone in this country?
I mean, seriously, why?
What would help is if you showed me pictures of his body or his actual body.
Otherwise, no, I don’t believe any of it, and what I do believe is that the American government and everyone in it lies about every single thing 100 % of the time.
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