Posted on 11/12/2015 5:16:43 PM PST by WilliamIII
This is basically a confirmation and reiteration of what I've already written. Cruz does not state he opposes legalization. He simply opposes the "pathway to citizenship," which is how he defines amnesty. Legal status for Cruz is not amnesty. The "conversation" to be had after he is elected, which I mentioned, is Cruz's way of avoiding any conversation that will piss off the base. The fact that Cruz doesn't consider granting legal status to be amnesty demonstrates that Cruz's position is unchanged from 2013, where he stated that legal status to bring illegals "out of the shadows" is his ideal for "common sense" immigration reform.
Cruz is deceptive when he claims he supports Donald Trump on immigration, but then refuses to discuss deportation, nor is he honest about his own support for the Gang of Eight Post-Amendment bill.
You heard Trump deny the account of what happened at that meeting did you? Pray why don’t you give me a link? Heck, even as we speak, Trump is busy talking about letting back the “good” illegals. Who are these “good” illegals then and just how does he propose to determine who they are?
Rubio is win win. If he wins he makes history. If he loses he makes millions. There is no downside for Rubio whether we disagree with him or not.
Here's Cruz referring to legalization as amnesty and he opposses it...
"I think it would be a mistake if House Republicans were to support amnesty for those here illegally," he said when asked about the proposal to be outlined in the House GOP's immigration principles.
Other Republicans in the House who support the plan have gone to great lengths to push back on the idea that granting legal status would be amnesty.
Keep in mind you are giving a link based on hearsay from some "latino" activist who admits, in a Politico article, that he deceptively snuck "activists" to crash a meeting had in 2013, and the entirety of it is based on the "recollection" of people who think that deportation makes you a Nazi.
I don't think I need to go through the trouble of finding Trump's reply.
The amendments Cruz proposed were for border security before any consideration of a ‘path to citizenship’.
They were poison pills for the RINO’s and rats. Did you realize that?
HE exposed the lies of the Rubio amnesty bill. Sessions supported these amendments.
I think we can trust Cruz on immigration. I do.
Most of the most passionate Cruz bashers are Trump supporters who just cannot believe that Trump will make it.
Cheer up, people. Trump can make it and I would not be sad if he did.
Cruz is the better choice but Trump is far better than Hillary and Trump seems to connect with the redneck crowd whereas Cruz might be a little too intellectual for them.
But Trump has NOT gone after Cruz yet. Wake me when he does.
Oh did he?
Here is Cruz's team replying to that contradiction when asked by MSNBC. The Cruz staffer replied that his position was “consistent,†and seems to say that the matter is a problem of priorities; IOW, border enforcement first before legalization:
“Asked by msnbc about where Cruz stands now on legalization, campaign spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said that the senator has been “consistent†and confirmed that the views he expressed in the Tribune had not changed. She described his amendment to the Senate “gang of eight†bill as an effort â€to improve a very bad bill†that he ultimately opposed.
While Frazier said Cruz fought the bill’s path to citizenship because it “flies in the face of the rule of law,†she declined to apply the same label when asked about legal status in the right circumstances.
“I think his main priority is dealing with the border security component and making sure that we know who is coming into the country and making sure that we have control over who is coming into the country and then we can deal with what to do with the people who are already here,†she said.â€
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ted-cruz-hasnt-ruled-out-legal-status-undocumented-imigrants
Me too. When it does all hell will break loose here at FR.
But that's not what Cruz was actually saying when pushing the amendment. He stated specifically that the bill he was then offering was the bill he wanted. That bill granted legal status to bring illegals "out of the shadows." Since that time, Cruz's team refuses to explicitly declare any support for deportation, and actively obfuscates their position or avoids it entirely with statements like:
"Cruz, in an interview with Chuck Todd in early July, declared that his first priority is to "secure the borders and solve the problem of illegal immigration. And then I think we can have a conversation about what to do about the people who remain here. I don't think the American people will accept any solution until we demonstrate step number one, we can secure the border." Todd then asks, "So anything's on the table? Potentially deportation or not deportation, but anything's on the table for the 11 million–?" to which Cruz speedily replies, "I think we should secure the border and then have a conversation at that point."
Read more:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/ted_cruz_vs_donald_trump_whos_stronger_on_immigration.html#ixzz3rL6rvOzz
For Cruz, legalization has NEVER been taken off the table.
“Rubio would make a great Press Secretary for Cruz.”
For the Spanish language press.
Marco and Jeb! can share the job.
Bravo!
You must enjoy being schooled on your many erroneous statements.
1. Cruz never voted for or supported the Gang of 8 legislation and fought against it.
2. While Mr. Trump was still busy being a TV reality star, Cruz was leading the fight to stop Obama’s DREAMer legislation
Agreed millions did for same reason
"I don't want immigration reform to fail. I want immigration reform to pass, and so I would urge people of good faith on both sides of the aisle, if the objective is to pass common sense immigration reform that secures the borders, that improves legal immigration, and that allows those who are here illegally to come in out of the shadows, then we should look for areas of bipartisan agreement and compromise to come together and this amendment -- I believe if this amendment were to pass the chances of this bill passing into law would increase dramatically, and so I would urge the committee to give it full consideration and to adopt the amendment." Cruz supported a Post-Amendment Gang of Eight bill, which would have granted legal status.
You must enjoy being schooled
Just schooled you, chump.
Go Ted!
Don’t waste your typing skills, Greetings Puny Humans can’t even understand a simple explanation of the Corker bill, he’ll be lost as hell on poison pill amendments.
Delusional darling:
SEN. TED CRUZ: This Gang of Eight bill is a disaster. It is the exact same thing we saw in 1986. The last big immigration reform was in 1986, and the federal government told the American people, we’re gonna grant amnesty for the three million people who are here illegally. And in exchange for that we’re actually gonna secure the borders. We’re gonna solve illegal immigration, and the problem is gonna go away.
Now, we saw what happened. The amnesty happened, the borders never got secured, and now three decades later, instead of three million people, it’s 11 million people.
RUSH LIMBAUGH: Is it 11 or is it — do we really know how many it is?
CRUZ: We don’t know. I mean, the estimates vary, 11 million, 12 million. We don’t have an exact number, but it is three to four times bigger than what it was in 1986, and we’re hearing the exact same empty promises. What the Gang of Eight bill does is it grants legalization now. It takes everyone who’s here illegally and says, “You’re legal,” and then just like in 1986 it promises, “sometime in the future, trust us, wink-wink, we’ll secure the border.” I don’t think the American people are that foolish. You know, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If this bill is enacted, it will make the problem worse. If this bill is enacted, in another decade or two we’re gonna be back here not with 11 million, but with 20 million or 30 million people here illegally. This is a broken system. I think what Americans want is fix the problem, stop playing political games, actually secure the border and make a legal immigration system that works.
RUSH: Senator, you’ve been, obviously, observing and commenting on political life in America for a long time. You’ve been in the Senate now for six months. Could you explain to me and people in this audience, why do the Democrats want this, and why do the Republicans who support this want it?
CRUZ: Well, the Democrats want this for pure politics. Chuck Schumer was very candid in the Senate Judiciary Committee when he said, “If there is no citizenship, there can be no reform.” This is all about their endeavor. They want to grant amnesty, and they hope to get a lot more Democratic voters, or they want this to be voted down and use it as a political issue in 2014 and 2016.
On the Republican side, sadly, a lot of the support of it is political as well. You know, after 2012, all of the Washington political consultants and all the mainstream media came to Republicans and said, “You’ve got to do better with Hispanics, and the way to do better with Hispanics is to embrace amnesty.” And, look, a lot of Republicans in Washington were scared. I gotta tell you, I think that political argument is complete nonsense. If you look at the last time we enacted amnesty in 1986, the next election was 1988, the Republican share of the Hispanic vote went down. It is not the case — Hispanics are not the single-issue, monolithic voters.
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=89
June 27, 2013
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press@cruz.senate.gov / (202) 228-7561
WASHINGTON, DC — U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) issued the following statement regarding today’s vote on S.744, the Gang of Eight’s immigration reform bill:
Unfortunately, all of the concerns that have been repeatedly raised about this bill remain: it repeats the mistakes of the 1986 immigration bill; it grants amnesty first; it won’t secure the border; and it doesn’t fix our broken legal immigration system.
This bill doesn’t solve the problem because the process it went through was fatally flawed– it was written behind closed doors with special interests; in the Judiciary Committee, the Gang of 8 and Democrats blocked all substantive amendments because of a previously cooked deal; and on the Senate floor, the majority blocked any attempts to fix the bill.
Further, in conjunction with Obamacare, the Gang of 8 bill creates a tax penalty on employers – effectively, up to $5,000 – for hiring U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. But that penalty does not apply to those with RPI status, giving a powerful incentive for job creators to hire illegal immigrants instead of U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. That is indefensible. I filed an amendment to fix this defect, but was blocked by Senate Democrats from receiving a vote on that solution.
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