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The Reason I’m Anti-Anti-Trump
CRB ^ | December 28, 2015 | William Voegeli

Posted on 12/28/2015 11:23:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

It’s hard to disagree with most of the bad things that have been said about Donald Trump, and impossible to add a truly fresh accusation to the list. In just six months as a presidential candidate Trump has been called “witless, gross, and unworthy,” “ignorant and bombastic,” a “buffoon” and an “a--hole,” a “clownish demagogue,” and “proto-fascist” whose “ideas range from the absurd … to the monstrous,” and whose policy pronouncements are no better than “barstool eruptions.”

And those are just his fellow Republicans’ opinions. Gleeful Democrats have made clear that Trump’s lead in public opinion polls throughout 2015 vindicates their allegations about the ignorance, stupidity, and bigotry of the GOP base and conservative movement. Trump’s rise “may be shocking,” writes Adele M. Stan of the American Prospect, “but it’s merely a result of the natural evolution of the modern American right that drove the election of Ronald Reagan 35 years ago.” Damon Linker of the Week magazine agrees. Trump’s supporters are the “culturally alienated, conservative white male voters” who have “been manipulated … into a perpetual state of aggrieved indignation” by right-wing talk-radio, which constantly assures its listeners that “their ill-informed, illiberal, anti-government, anti-Washington, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim views are irrefutably, indisputably, incontrovertibly correct.”(continued)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cruzowned; immigration; isis; libstory; nopacman; obama; tds; trump; trumpnotowned; why2nddisantitrump; yawn
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To: Company Man
Hint: it has to do with disparaging a seriously PO'd base.

Yes, but the last line indicates, seriously po'd (but misguided) base.

81 posted on 12/29/2015 3:48:23 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: Company Man
Nothing is ever difficult, if it's someone else's job.
82 posted on 12/29/2015 3:50:29 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: ifinnegan; 2ndDivisionVet

Very good, very good insight and inference.

I’ll repeat that in 1980 Ronald Reagan was hated, thought of as a puny-brained war monger, derided constantly by the press. It was until about late 1983 that people began to wake up to his classy eloquence, his wit and tenacity. his ability to inspire and generate optimism, his consistency and reasoning logic, and most importantly his ‘conservative philsophy’.

RR was not elected in 1980 because of his conservatism. Conservatism had not been popular because its messenger had been wrong before. RR was elected because of the Iranian Hostage Crisis as he had been perceived to be a hardliner, and because democrats stayed home having squandered the opportunity to restore dignity to the office and nation at the hands of Jimmy Carter.

It wasn’t until later into RR’s first term that ‘conservatism’ became a popular brand of politics and this had been attributed to RR himself, his style and demeanor. Americans became so proud of who was their President that they gladly espoused that his brand of politics was theirs as well. Thus, conservatism became popular.

But the electorate of today is mostly a whole new group of people who have been ashamed to say in public that conservatism has merit because it is associated not with Ronald Reagan but with GHW Bush, Bob Dole, GW Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney all of who in some way have soiled the brand so much that the attractive conservatism of Ronald Reagan has been left to linger inside an older generation that remembers him proudly.

This is why I say Donald is ready to win hearts and minds of TODAY’s electorate whereas my conservative champion Ted Cruz must wait in the wings as Donald’s VP or Secretary of State (Ted needs to level up on international trade) so that once the electorate is won back to the conservative philosophy, Ted becomes the natural successor to carry the conservative banner forward.

Will the electorate eventually view Donald Trump as a class act?

Absolutely, because he is class act in his particular way. Watch (10 minutes):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ubgu1uOaP18&feature=youtu.be


83 posted on 12/29/2015 3:58:38 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: gitmo
This is a pro-Trump article.

No. Being anti-anti-Trump is not the same thing, or his construction would have been simplified. It's a pro-Trump supporter article combined with anti-Trump distain.

84 posted on 12/29/2015 3:58:41 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I hear Trump saying is, AMERICA FIRST!


85 posted on 12/29/2015 4:42:45 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Bobalu

That cannon is aimed wrong. You can see that as it’s aimed in the toon, Trump will land somewhere west of DC; Wheeling, WV maybe.


86 posted on 12/29/2015 5:00:53 AM PST by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Vet, the problem comes in where the ‘ and “ are slanted (approx 45 degrees) in either the
copied article or in the preview window. If slanted one option is to delete each slanted ‘ or “
and type in a replacement from your keyboard. It will be vertical and post correctly. There
is some website you can use to correct the stuff but I’ve never used it as I don’t post a lot
of articles so I haven’t bothered.

The key is preview first and correct before posting. It takes a little effort/time but not
that much really. Take care and good luck.


87 posted on 12/29/2015 5:10:28 AM PST by deport
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To: roamer_1
Set aside his stump speeches and look at his record. You will not find a Conservative.

We are in uncharted waters with this thing. Wallace and Perot had their moments, but neither got anywhere close to where Trump seems to be. And I use the term with purpose. I am very suspicious of anything that I see driven primarily by emotions and passions.

I distrust most of what the media in all forms delivers. I distrust not only the content, but the medium itself, because of the way it warps the way we think and process the information it purports to deliver. Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

I have been surprised at how blithely some here seem to ignore the principles and warnings (explicit and implicit) that the Founding Fathers gave us.

They were suspicious of power and prestige. In these uncharted waters, power and wealth have become a desirable and even vital attribute for leadership. The world is upside down.

In uncharted waters, a competent sailor might not know where the shoals and reefs are; or what currents may steer him off course. But, he does know that such are possibilities. And he sails carefully with that in mind; not full speed ahead.

88 posted on 12/29/2015 5:46:44 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: onyx
Don't give a rip why he's not for Donald Trump.

The writer is *anti* anti-Trump; which is to say he is *against* the anti-Trump drumbeat. It is a worthwhile editorial to actually read.

89 posted on 12/29/2015 5:49:28 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Gaffer
Exactly why couldn’t a tool like this be inserted into server posting code and have it over and done in one fell swoop?

It could be done. I've written code for this very sort of function where input text is "sanitized" to remove special characters (such has smart-quotes). It was not that big a deal to do; at least in the case I worked on.

90 posted on 12/29/2015 5:55:22 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: don-o
I have been surprised at how blithely some here seem to ignore the principles and warnings (explicit and implicit) that the Founding Fathers gave.

Shocked is more like it. Principles and warnings quickly cast aside for the siren song of "personality". Seems there aren't nearly as many FReepers here who are true to conservatism and can discern between constitutional conservatism and a circus show full of spectacle.

91 posted on 12/29/2015 5:55:31 AM PST by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have new for William Voegeli. No one gives a rat's ass what he thinks. Personally I prefer Cruz over Trump, but I'd prefer either over any of the Marxist totalitarian filth running on the D side
92 posted on 12/29/2015 5:57:12 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Gator113

In my comments I now avoid using apostrophes and quote marks. Whatever the problem is the controllers here seem content with it. Maybe it discourages trolls or something.


93 posted on 12/29/2015 6:09:27 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: PJBankard

Comments, which are manually typed, sometimes include all that gibberish. I guess we are not so technically advanced as we thought.


94 posted on 12/29/2015 6:11:58 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see the GOPe is still trashing Trump 24/7, nice of you to carry water for the GOPe.


95 posted on 12/29/2015 6:21:07 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: cynwoody

What explains the characters appearing properly on the forum front page?


96 posted on 12/29/2015 6:25:32 AM PST by Ray76 (Huckabee (Dec 15, 2015): Our priority is to protect Americans, not protect the reputation of Islam.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mote to Michael Steele & Reice Pribus:

Payback by Republican voters can be a bitch...

You both have destroyed the RNC.


97 posted on 12/29/2015 6:34:49 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: cynwoody

thanks, bookmarked


98 posted on 12/29/2015 6:35:09 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: arthurus
" I guess we are not so technically advanced as we thought."

Speak for your self :) here you go java code segment to do the replacement. I have not looked up the unicode or the ascii so you will have to supply them yourself. also you will have to do this segment of all of the characters mainly ' and "

try
{
char badChar="unicode for bad character goes here";
char goodChar="ascii code for good replacement goes here";
String textNoBadQuotes = textWithQuotes.replace(badChar, goodChar);
}
catch (Exception e)
{
e.printStackTrace(); //or do something else
}

99 posted on 12/29/2015 6:51:44 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: don-o
We are in uncharted waters with this thing.

Ain't it something?

I am very suspicious of anything that I see driven primarily by emotions and passions.

Yeah, me too... I like a record of accomplishment. Never have been much for stump speeches and promises. Don't get me wrong - Promises are great if there's a record to back them up!

I distrust most of what the media in all forms delivers. I distrust not only the content, but the medium itself, because of the way it warps the way we think and process the information it purports to deliver

Me too - No more cable in the house. No more (or at least very little) Fox News. No more talk radio - even Limbaugh... Been that way since they were all pimping Romney. I went sick of it during McCain, but was flat done with it over Romney.

I have been surprised at how blithely some here seem to ignore the principles and warnings (explicit and implicit) that the Founding Fathers gave us. They were suspicious of power and prestige. In these uncharted waters, power and wealth have become a desirable and even vital attribute for leadership.

Many here are not as Conservative as they think they are. Though I don't think it's the power or wealth - I think it's the 60 second sound bite... Low information due to too much information - Almost worse than no information at all.

I don't pay any of it any mind at all until I've sussed out the record... Then maybe I'll get all excited for someone.

The world is upside down.

Yes sir, that it is... The only thing that's still upright are these Rocky Mountains, and the friends I have back up in the sticks. Time to time I have to wander out there and have some coffee over a fire, or sit in a sweat lodge for a while with folks that are my betters... Remember who I am.

In uncharted waters, a competent sailor might not know where the shoals and reefs are; or what currents may steer him off course. But, he does know that such are possibilities. And he sails carefully with that in mind; not full speed ahead.

Yep... and it's always good to find someone else who knows which way the wind is blowing... Tho I am not all that surprised to find that in you.

Have a good day don-o... Say howdy to Mrs. Don-o - I sure hope she's doing fine.

100 posted on 12/29/2015 7:37:54 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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