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The Obamacare Scam Just Got A Lot Worse
http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/the-obamacare-scam-just-got-a-lot-worse ^ | V. Saxena

Posted on 01/01/2016 2:36:25 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com

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To: AntiScumbag; Mears

DOH! I typed it wrong...thanks for pointing it out!

I meant MediCAID..

https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid-chip-program-information/by-topics/eligibility/estate-recovery.html


41 posted on 01/01/2016 6:01:54 PM PST by bitt (If Obama is really worried about �the children�, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: Aliska

Sorry, I meant MEDICAID had the ability to go after you, not Medicare....

sometimes fury drives my fingers to the wrong keys...


42 posted on 01/01/2016 6:03:15 PM PST by bitt (If Obama is really worried about �the children�, he should be bombing planned parenthood.)
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To: AntiScumbag
I still worry about my daughter's situation. I warned her more than once, she was going to ask them. It is almost too much to be believed though.

They would have to prove intent to defraud but the adversary has the advantage. And I told her if she dies, Medicaid will take her house. She said she didn't care, she'll be dead, it wasn't worth much anyway.

Thanks for the head's up. I'll warn her again. Often you should get more than one or two opinions and from the right sources. Have it in writing or, short of that, certified copies of the applicable statutes in force for the entire applicable period. She does have a good investment broker; I'll make sure she's run it all by him. Think she did but think isn't good enough.

And then he advised her to get a lawyer to make a will which she did. I'll ask if she ran it all by him.

Even lawyers don't have all the answers, and they miss things. You have to stay on top of things yourself. Ask me how I know. Because my daughters fought a bitter lawsuit, and I was the lawyer contact. I told her some key information, she missed it. So I told her again some months later. It was phone records, certain ones. So I get the phone records burned on a cd. Then it was placing one daughter at a certain time and place to prove she didn't do something.

So I'm talking to the contracted lawyer, and we got proof she had an appt at 9:00 AM on a certain date. But you need proof you kept the appointment. So she got that. It blew everything up but the other side still kept making false allegations.

There wasn't any money in it for me. And it's not that I'm so smart and could have missed something. I have missed things. That's how I learned to question every single thing and stay on top of everything. We are talking about lawyers with excellent reputations and track records here.

Nobody cares about your business more than you do. Or should.

43 posted on 01/01/2016 6:23:57 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Fresh Wind

It’s not a tax, except when it’s a penalty. And it’s only a penalty when it’s not a tax. So with a tax and a penalty you can only be taxed, and or, penalized. If not, you’ll be taxed with a penalty. Except when you are taxed with a penalty that is equal to or greater than the taxed penalty.

HOORAY SINGLE PAYER!!!


44 posted on 01/01/2016 6:25:52 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Farmer Dean

With the possible exception of the purposely recalcitrant, how many who aren’t purchasing this insurance will bother to attend a town hall meeting?

The folks whose premiums and deductibles have gone up are the ones who should be hitting town halls.


45 posted on 01/01/2016 6:29:42 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: bitt

Not to worry. It’s so easy to type the wrong one. But I did take it at your word ;-)


46 posted on 01/01/2016 7:05:42 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

Well, the income and asset rules for food stamp and Medicaid benefits for every state are on-line.

You can take it from there. Opinions don’t count. All that matters are investment amounts — one is either under or over the state’s limits and disclosed it or not.

Good luck to you in any case. Sounds like it might be an uphill battle.


47 posted on 01/01/2016 8:02:07 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag
I just looked for Medicaid. One gets 167% of federal poverty level and the other 133%. Then the FPL # for 2015 is 15,930 for 2 people. That's for 2015 only. By taking the percentage of each and adding them up it seems too high and might not be the way it's calculated.

I can do a cursory check on food stamps tomorrow. In any case, she had better be the one doing the asking, and she could be in a precarious situation with her total resources (couldn't find much using assets), not her monthly income; she's well beneath the federal poverty level on that.

I can't micromanage this part of her life. I only did it on the lawsuit, and I didn't mean to make it sound like I deserve all the credit because I don't. It's just like it all fell together, and I was able to see what was needed in the way of evidence and how to get what could be gotten, what questions to ask, etc.

She had been homeless before that.

48 posted on 01/01/2016 9:20:45 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Duckdog

“Why yes I do. I spent twenty years in the military, going to some crappy country to the next. Damn near got shot in Greece, cooked in middle east, got frost bite on my ears in Montana and had a volcano land on my head in the Philippines.”

I knew I should have put a smiley at the end. :)

Well, at least you got to see the world. I never got any further than the UK. All we had to worry about was weather the Soviets were going to put an SS-20 (150 kt x 3) on us or just Spetsnaz.


49 posted on 01/01/2016 11:15:23 PM PST by PLMerite (The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: PLMerite

Eff that 0bama loving racist ahole...


50 posted on 01/02/2016 12:07:45 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Organic Panic
It's not a tax, except when it's a penalty. And it's only a penalty when it's not a tax. So with a tax and a penalty you can only be taxed, and or, penalized. If not, you'll be taxed with a penalty. Except when you are taxed with a penalty that is equal to or greater than the taxed penalty.

That makes perfect sense when you consider Obamacare in its entirety...


51 posted on 01/02/2016 2:57:06 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

If you don’t want to chain yourself to the obamacare wall just dont send so much mony to the IRS through the year that IRS owes you a refund. As the law is written that is the only money the government can claim from you. f course Hussein or a bureaucrat can change that law at any time but for now that is how it is, unless I have not been paying sufficient attention and someone in the FDA or the EPA or DOE has already changed the law.


52 posted on 01/02/2016 6:02:06 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Little Johnny Uses Obama Method To Get An A+ On His Assignment http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/little-johnny-uses-obama-method-to-get-an-a-on-his-assignment
53 posted on 01/02/2016 10:07:39 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: Aliska

My mother was in a nursing home- She had to spend down her assets(a fairly small savings account),and then apply for Medicaid. They took her pension and social security every month and left her with $60.00 per month spending money.

We bought all of her clothing(which disappeared constantly) but she got the care she needed.

I put my property in a trust some years ago. In MA the look-back-period is five years so I’m all set there.

Seeing an attorney is the best bet.

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54 posted on 01/02/2016 6:47:02 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears
I don't want to spend down my assets. I need to set up a trust and find out more about making my LTC work without tapping my SS or other income plus asset it's derived from.

There was a lady in a good Catholic home here I used to visit. People stole her stuff. She just shrugged it off. The ambulatory patients stole stuff, too. Not all, of course. There just was no protection. I don't know how to prevent that. Or being abused. Need some kind of dependable advocate since I can't depend on anyone in my family. It's not that they are all irresponsible; they are too distracted to care about any minutiae in my affairs. And my daughters may or may not care if I get good care. I'm afraid they would cause trouble; I know they probably would. Good thing I've had it figured out for awhile.

You did the smart thing. Every state is different.

I need to see an attorney to finish my trust. The last atty got mad at me. I wanted a trust with conditions. He got impatient and started getting kids' and grandkids' names, I didn't want what he put down. I have a .pdf copy of the almost-finished trust I paid $2500K for. If he would finish it if I could get there, I think he would get too impatient with me. He likes to be totally in charge. It's my trust. 34 pages. All boilerplate stuff I don't want to read except for a few pages naming people and conditions.

That lawyer on the radio, he's getting worse with the insults and he says outrageous things to callers. He's really kidding, but I don't know how some would take it. Can't think of his name. He mentioned his trust and his daughter. Tattoos, no money. Things like that. I thought that's the way I want my trust set up. I don't think I was being unreasonable about that.

It's too hard for me to get the 50 miles to sign it which I won't because it's not what I want. He was going to send his son the 50 mi to me for me to sign, and I didn't want to pay the extra.

I emailed him about a year ago, and never heard back. So I will have to see if another attorney will be willing to finish it.

There's an elder law atty here locally, I'm bitter about him. But I'm not going to do anything about it. Let it go.

55 posted on 01/02/2016 7:23:04 PM PST by Aliska
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