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1 posted on 01/03/2016 5:29:11 AM PST by Kaslin
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The GOP establishment trap has worked so well for so many years. /s


2 posted on 01/03/2016 5:35:37 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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Far too many conservatives have forgotten that political victories take time …
Is that the “incremental” argument again?
3 posted on 01/03/2016 5:37:26 AM PST by Olog-hai
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In theory, the article is right. However this country does not have any time left for us to be patient. If immigration continues the way it is going now, we will be so overrun by democrat voters that future elections will just be an exorcise with a preordained outcome. If spending continues the way it is going now, the economy will collapse. We are very close now to a civil war if Obama proceeds with taking away the guns. There is just no time left to be patient!
4 posted on 01/03/2016 5:44:43 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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the GOP has chased away the libertarians, not the other way around.


5 posted on 01/03/2016 5:46:29 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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For all their shunning of Christianity, Democrats have the patience of Job when it comes to their agenda.

And with that non sequitur the TownHall author displays the same depth of biblical knowledge that they generally demonstrate for politics these days.

( yeah, I understand what he meant to say, it is just that errors like that pop out, sorry to nitpick )

6 posted on 01/03/2016 5:47:10 AM PST by Democratic-Republican
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Fabian Socialists got their “name” for their patience. The wet-dreams of Sugar Keynes of Harvard (the sodomite raping the little boys and bragging about it with his homosexual orgy buddies in letters) have been realized by no less than the evil SCOTUS who is promoting the religion of Satanism by their unconstitutional “laws” which reject Natural Law and God’s Laws the basis of American Jurisprudence until the Marxist takeover which now promotes a Vice System..

What the Libertarians fail to understand is Western Civilization. That without Virtue, there can be no Freedom. Without Virtue, you have a system of vice which will collapse any “civil” society.

In the 13th Century it was thoroughly realized by St. Thomas Aquinas that Faith and Reason are essential in ALL human beings-—it exists and without one or the other—you are not God’s Design of the human being. All humans have Faith and it is ONLY the Christian “Fatih” which gave us Modern Science and The Age of Reason with the UNDERSTANDING that some “Faith” is much more REASONED than the irrational, contradictory Eastern/atheist/sexist muslim or pagan “faiths” where contradictions were enormous and the “blind” faith—like in Marxism/Atheism is totally irrational and based on the Big Lie.

There is ONLY one religion which is in line with Individualism and Natural Rights from God—Our Constitution—the Supreme Law of the Land-—and without Right Reason (like with sodomy and baby-killing promotion) you get irrational, unjust (evil) “Law” which is “null and void” according to our Founders and St. Thomas Aquinas and the Nuremberg Trial judges.

Without “Justice” (the Queen of Virtue), there is no possibility of Freedom or a civil society. PERIOD. Libertarians “think” “faith” is anathema to Law when it is ALL Reasoned Faith (if based on the Christian Worldview ONLY). When you throw out “..the Laws of Nature and nature’s God” you throw out Individual Natural Rights from God (true Freedom from arbitrary man-made up tyranny “laws”).


7 posted on 01/03/2016 5:56:19 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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Yet many conservatives, particularly in media, think each electoral victory immediately should bring about massive conservative change. When that doesn''t happen, they attack with a ferocity they don't reserve even for liberals.

What a steaming pantload. It is the GOPe that attacks conservatives in primaries with far more ferocity they attack Dems in the general. Conservatives are just tired of the GOPe being handed electoral victories by the Tea Party and then refusing to attempt to even try brandishing the power they have been dealt.

9 posted on 01/03/2016 6:12:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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True of social conservatives and other ideologues as well as libertarians. Pro-lifers are the extreme example of what the libertarians are (accurately) accused of.

Example: In State A there is a Senator and a Congressman hated by both libertarians, Social Conservatives, neo-cons and all parts of the big tent. So a libertarian runs for one of the seats we don’t hold and a social conservative runs for the other seat we don’t hold.

We need to build a coalition that works for both of those candidates. But that doesn’t happen.

We ideologues fail to realize that the nature of a political party is different from that of a religion. If a fellow church member denies the deity of Jesus Christ, he should not be a member of my church. But political parties are not religions. Political parties are coalitions of convenience. They are tactical vehicles to win.


10 posted on 01/03/2016 6:29:59 AM PST by spintreebob
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quote “There never will be a “silver bullet” election or candidate; that’s impossible. “

BS !!!

Make me president and let me wield the kind of unchecked power Obama has been allowed to and I could fix the country and get it back on the right track in less than 6 months!


11 posted on 01/03/2016 6:30:09 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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This writer didn’t proofread his work very well. Perhaps he is inpatient.


12 posted on 01/03/2016 6:34:18 AM PST by GSWarrior
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Just look at how democrats approached obamacare after Obama won for an example of how patient we should be


21 posted on 01/03/2016 7:32:34 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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The problem is even when Republicans win Conservatives still lose.


28 posted on 01/03/2016 8:49:33 AM PST by Ultima
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“For all the problems with Obamacare, it’s serving its purpose of crowding out private coverage. It was never designed to be the endgame; it’s an increment. It moves the country closer to a government takeover of health care. That was its purpose; that is their plan. And they waited decades for it. “


29 posted on 01/03/2016 8:56:13 AM PST by Pelham (Muslim immigration...the enemy is inside the wire.)
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I have no ideal where the libertarian shaming stuff in this comes from. Sometimes, I think we tend to just project “bad things” on whatever group we dislike.


31 posted on 01/03/2016 9:19:12 AM PST by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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What?

The only choices we have now are moving toward socialism quickly or moving toward socialism a little less quickly.

Libertarians are wrong philosophically.

But libertarians are right to oppose both the Democrats and Republicans because neither is doing anything that moves America in anyway closer to the ideal set forth by our Founding Fathers.

32 posted on 01/03/2016 9:36:12 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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It’s not about purity, it’s about not being awful. The GOP keeps running leftist and demanding we vote for the because of the letter after their name. Run conservative, they don’t have to be pure, they just need to not be socialists that joined the wrong damn party. I’ll vote for an imperfect conservative, I won’t vote for a leftist.


35 posted on 01/03/2016 10:45:31 AM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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Conservatism is constructive, and liberalism destructive. What the author mistakes for patience is simply the mechanical advantage of destruction over construction, according to the second law of thermodynamics. My physics teacher would ask: “Which is easier; to shuffle playing cards or to sort them?”

The challange conservatives and libertarians have of once again making the federal government accountable to the constitution, is far more difficult a fight than what liberals and progressives face - all they need to do is knock over things we’ve built.

We shouldn’t admire or emulate their methods. Their ‘patience’ is not a virtue, it is just a relentless erosion and deterioration that happens effortlessly for them while they sleep.

I think we need to fight and be very impatient. But maybe there is one thing we can learn from them: destruction. We need to destroy things they have built, such as their tyranny of political correctness. As they’ve shown us, it’s easier to destroy than to build.


36 posted on 01/03/2016 11:09:17 AM PST by enumerated
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Most Liberal-tarians have much more in common with the amoral atheist Marxists than they do with conservatives/normal people.


38 posted on 01/03/2016 12:00:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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Bill Buckley once said that “every conservative is a libertarian, and something more.”


40 posted on 01/03/2016 12:22:20 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Here are a couple of interesting articles on libertarianism that might be pertinent to this discussion:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-right-wing-libertarianism-and-left-wing-libertarianism

www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/LIBERTAR.htm


51 posted on 01/03/2016 2:48:56 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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