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How far up the chain of command did they have to go to find the cowardly lion who ordered this genuflection before a bunch of savages? Did this get bounced all the way to the Pentagon, or the Situation Room? Which secretary of what made the decision not to put a squadron of naval aviators above those two boats to keep the camel jockeys at bay?
1 posted on 01/14/2016 7:43:13 AM PST by shortstop
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To: shortstop
My thoughts also - John F'n Kerry, on orders from ValJar, ordered these guys to apologize.

It ain't your father's America anymore.


2 posted on 01/14/2016 7:45:36 AM PST by skeeter
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To: shortstop

Bump


3 posted on 01/14/2016 7:46:41 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: shortstop
I'll bet'cha' ...

RULES OF ENGAGEMENT !!


The boats were both heavily army with small arms and (looks like) 40 cal mounted

These people stood down and allowed the boarding ... They HAD to ...

jug ears sez so ...

4 posted on 01/14/2016 7:47:58 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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I doubt that our rulers will ever disclose the truth.


5 posted on 01/14/2016 7:48:09 AM PST by austingirl (Sharia, taqiyya, jihad, hijera- what more do you need to know about islam?)
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To: shortstop
Somebody told them to give up.

You will never, ever find out who gave the order to surrender combat capable vessels. If the order did not come from the top, why not? Where was Obama? Campaigning?

6 posted on 01/14/2016 7:50:25 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The Bush family needs to just go away. The Clinton family needs just to go to prison.)
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I would end up court martialed afterwards than give up my boat(boats) to these animals with their “john boats with sunshades and tassels”. Animals that have the nasty habit of cutting peoples heads off.

Better being a captain of my own bass boat than putting my crew at risk of being prisoners or dead.


9 posted on 01/14/2016 7:54:41 AM PST by biff
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With the imposed “Rules of Engagement” if the crews of both boats fought capture, they’d have been court-martialed for firing of the innocent “FISHING BOATS” of another nation. Also charge with the killing of any of the innocent “fishermen”.
After Iranian protest, the MEDIA would have labeled the sailors as “Trigger happy “warmongers” and demanded reparations to the families of the Iranian “fishermen.”


10 posted on 01/14/2016 7:54:52 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (New York Times: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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When I first heard about this, and the explanation, the scene in the Avengers where Fury orders the carrier to the South, the guy at the helm responds that the nav system is down and Fury says “Is that the Sun rising? Put it on our left!” came to mind.

Also Kirk telling Sulu that “I don’t think these kids know how to steer” at the beginning of Wrath of Khan.

How much time in navigation classes have these sailors really been in? As opposed to various “sensitivity” and “awareness” ones?


11 posted on 01/14/2016 7:54:55 AM PST by tanknetter
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They were testing the Iranian navy and hoping to start a war. Didn’t work so maybe they should try again, with the carrier.


12 posted on 01/14/2016 7:56:10 AM PST by DonkeyBonker (The future does not belong to Hillary)
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Maybe the boats were fueled with that crap biofuel.

It’s January, too.


15 posted on 01/14/2016 8:00:00 AM PST by Stalwart
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Did we get our boats back? I think not. The Iranians are having a go at all the neat stuff on them.


17 posted on 01/14/2016 8:00:40 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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Were any of the crewmen JAGs?

If so, it could explain a great many things.


21 posted on 01/14/2016 8:09:46 AM PST by Bratch
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Sighted Ships
Surrendered To Same


22 posted on 01/14/2016 8:10:41 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))))))
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Do not forget that the current State dept press spokesman is a retd Rear admiral, as well as being a turd..


24 posted on 01/14/2016 8:13:32 AM PST by ken5050 (helpful co)
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To: shortstop; Travis McGee
My friend, our fellow FR poster, former Navy Seal and novelist extraordinaire Matt Bracken, gives us on his Facebook page the background on what happened to our sailors who were captured by Iran. Summary: IRAN & US STATE DEPT. ARE BOTH LYING.

Matthew Bracken sends:

I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes.

I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter.

Today, these boats both not only had radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat’s icon right on the chart. The claim by Iran that the USN boats “strayed into Iranian waters” is complete [bovine effluvia].

For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation’s claimed territorial waters. The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplainable and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that’s why two boats go on these trips and not one! It’s called “self-rescue” and it’s SOP.

This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying.

The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a “hands up!” situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water.

I assume that the Iranians had an English speaker on a loudspeaker to make the demand. This takedown was no accident or coincidence, it was a planned slap across America’s face.

Just watch. The released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and the Iranians will have taken every GPS device, chart-plotter etc off the boats, so that we will not be able to prove where our boats were taken.

The “strayed into Iranian waters” story being put out by Iran and our groveling and appeasing State Dept. is utter and complete BS from one end to the other.

26 posted on 01/14/2016 8:54:47 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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This whole thing stinks to high heaven and has from the minute it hit the airwaves. When I saw pics of captured sailors laughing and eating food the captors gave them and not a mark on them I was like WTF?


28 posted on 01/14/2016 9:08:57 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Isn’t the new Navy boss an AA woman appointed by Obama who’s never been in command of a boat? Pathetic. Not only is the Navy run by a know nothing political hack but why were TWO boats broken down at the same time? What the hell is going on? Who is running the show?


29 posted on 01/14/2016 10:05:17 AM PST by Organic Panic
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The TREASON ESCALATES!!!


30 posted on 01/14/2016 10:17:50 AM PST by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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ordered this genuflection

I'm more cynical.

How far up do we have to go to find the treasonous SOB who ordered this staged event to happen?

31 posted on 01/14/2016 10:26:36 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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