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To: A_Former_Democrat

“Born in the USA” is not the issue. “Natural born citizen” does not mean born in CONUS, (”native born”) but rather “a citizen at the moment of birth,” which Cruz is by his mother’s citizenship.


15 posted on 01/16/2016 3:16:01 PM PST by The All Knowing All Seeing Oz (I carry a handgun because even a small police officer is too big and heavy to carry.)
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To: The All Knowing All Seeing Oz

I disagree. Now, although I am not a skilled researcher, I have spent hundreds of hours researching this topic. Over seven years. Specifically the dual citizenship angle.

Tribe. Lee. Natelson. Mary Brigid McManamon. All recently concurred that the original intent of the clause would certainly exclude Cruz. They aren’t birthers. They are all well respected Constitutional law professors and serious Constitutional scholars.

I was pleased to find that although my research methods are haphazard, my findings mirrored theirs. There is hope for me yet it appears.

Since I began my work long before Cruz was in the picture, Ted was clearly not in my sights. Once his dual citizenship was revealed, and the fact that he was born in Canada came out, well, I can not overlook that. Based upon my own many hours of hands-on research, I know him to be ineligible. Problematically people these days don’t care to study a topic before KNOWING something. I believe you have to take steps to learn before you can know.


112 posted on 01/16/2016 4:17:57 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: The All Knowing All Seeing Oz
"Born in the USA" is not the issue. "Natural born citizen" does not mean born in CONUS, ("native born") but rather "a citizen at the moment of birth," which Cruz is by his mother's citizenship.

Exactly. If you are a citizen at the moment you are born, you are natural born.

No amount of twisted logic can change that fact.

No court or judge in the USA will ever rule that someone who was a US citizen at the moment of their birth is somehow not natural born.

Why? Because it's ludicrous to do so, that's why. Someone who is a US citizen at birth has not undergone any sort of naturalization process.

For uber-purists to entertain the fantasy that any judge, any judge, will muddy the waters with some sort of in-between interpretation is pure delusion.

Citizen at the moment of birth=natural born, and if that has not been formally stated yet, then it soon will be.

For the Cruz "birthers", I therefore ask: once the courts have (bitch) slapped you down, will you then let the matter rest? Or will you remain in denial?

Because, as Dr. Tribe has indicated, there are absolutely zero judges whose interpretation of the Constitution would be so hysterically "originalist" as to rule Ted Cruz ineligible. Practically speaking, there is simply no reason that Cruz should be considered ineligible.

There's "strict interpretation", and then there's ridiculously dogmatic irrationality. The latter is where the Cruz birthers dwell.

201 posted on 01/16/2016 9:17:20 PM PST by sargon
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