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Oregon standoff: Occupiers recruit ranchers to stop paying grazing fees
Oregon Live ^ | 1/18/2016 | Kelly House

Posted on 01/18/2016 5:51:25 PM PST by Nextrush

BURNS--Members of the armed standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife refuge said Monday that they've recruited ranchers to stop paying the federal government for the right to run cattle on public.

The occupation organizers are planning a 'signing ceremony' Friday where ranchers will sign documents renouncing their obligation to pay fees tied to the federal grazing lands allotments, said spokesman LaVoy Fincicum.

Two ranchers-one from Oregon and one from New Mexico-have agreed to sign the papers and "I hope they bring a couple more in tow" Fincicum said......

Leaders of the occupation, now in its 17th day, plan a public meeting Monday night at a hot springs resort in the unincorporated community of Crane to offer details about their plans.

Finicum said it's one of several meetings expected in the coming day as the occupiers take their message outside of Harney County and even outside of Oregon. He visited Utah last week to drum up support for the occupiers' cause......

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: bundyfamily; bundyranch; hammondfamily; newmexico; oregon; oregonstandoff; sedition
There seem to be intitiatives flowing out from the occupation site while the environmentalists show up to protest at the site.
1 posted on 01/18/2016 5:51:25 PM PST by Nextrush
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To: Nextrush

Failure to pay grazing fees while still grazing your cattle on federal land is theft of US property and is stolen from the treasury of all tax payers.


2 posted on 01/18/2016 5:56:12 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: taxcontrol

Their endgame is for the land to be removed from federal control to local control where user fees will then be paid by ranchers to local government.

They are willing to pay, just not to the feds......


3 posted on 01/18/2016 6:02:02 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Nextrush

I would propose an amendment that restricts federal government ownership of the total land mass of any state to no more than 10% of the land area of that state.


4 posted on 01/18/2016 6:04:23 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Nextrush

#OccupyWheatStreet


5 posted on 01/18/2016 6:16:06 PM PST by moovova
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To: taxcontrol

Good idea.

Got proposal wording?


6 posted on 01/18/2016 6:19:02 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

Something to the effect of:

Congress shall not own or manage any land area within a state or territory greater than ten percent of the total land mass of that state.

Lands in excess of the limit shall be returned to the ownership of the state. Congress may enact such laws as necessary to return such land to the state.

Tribal lands shall not be assessed either for calculating the ten percent nor calculated in the total lands of the state.


7 posted on 01/18/2016 6:27:06 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: taxcontrol
Failure to pay grazing fees while still grazing your cattle on federal land is theft of US property and is stolen from the treasury of all tax payers.

It's more complicated than that. The property is not entirely Federal but is a "split estate." The OWNERS of the grazing allotments have made investments that have been effectively taken by bogus regulatory action. That is what Wayne Hage's case was all about. He won too.

8 posted on 01/18/2016 6:36:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: taxcontrol

Good start. I like the basics.

What would the snake-eyed bastards of humanity, do with a simple honest request?

When do we get to say- “Yes, you will love to serve our people, in the best way possible.”

Sounds dumb, yet- I care about sincerity. True action, with nothing other than - “doing the next right thing, no matter what.”

That’s reality. The rest is pretend, no matter what.
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9 posted on 01/18/2016 6:43:50 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: taxcontrol
You can read about Hage v. US here.
10 posted on 01/18/2016 6:47:03 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: RedHeeler

My childhood pastor once told me that a lock only keeps an honest man, honest. The older I get, the greater wisdom I see in that statement.

I fear that there is no longer an altruistic politician. Heck, right now, I’d settle for an honest one.


11 posted on 01/18/2016 6:53:09 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Nextrush
Their endgame is for the land to be removed from federal control to local control where user fees will then be paid by ranchers to local government.

Yep. And it should be under local control. The feds have zero business being there from my perspective.

12 posted on 01/18/2016 7:09:41 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nextrush

“A contingent from the Center for Biological Diversity, a national environmental group based in Tucson, planned to observe Martin Luther King Jr. Day by hiking on the refuge. The federal government is celebrating the holiday with a fee-free day for recreation on public lands, but the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge remains closed due to the standoff.

“In a statement, the center’s executive director, Kierán Suckling, said the hike is meant to “bear witness to this great injustice and show the militia thugs that America won’t be scared away from its public lands by guns and threats.”

“The group also is planning a protest Tuesday on the refuge, with supporters traveling from Bend and Eugene to join the handful of environmentalists who have already arrived in Harney County.”

Kierán Suckling is a sack of bovine excrement. One of the very worst enemies of ranchers, loggers, and miners. He has spear headed the whole ‘environmental’ movement practice of fraudulent lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit against everything he and the CBD can sue. What’s worse, is that we the taxpayer often have to pay for his lawsuits. Suckling and CBD have it down to a science.


13 posted on 01/18/2016 7:36:23 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Nextrush; goodnesswins; PROCON; Twotone; VeryFRank; Clinging Bitterly; Rio; aimhigh; Hieronymus; ...

If you would like more information about what's happening in Oregon, please FReepmail me.

I lost my Oregon list when my computer crashed last year, so please send me your name by FReepmail if you want to be on this list.

14 posted on 01/18/2016 8:08:06 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: taxcontrol
Depends on what the deal was when their ancestors were allowed the use of the land ... not to mention who maintains the land.

It's possible the government decided to cash in by changing an existing deal.

I don't know the details - anyone out there with info?

15 posted on 01/19/2016 4:01:10 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Carry_Okie
He won too.

For now.

16 posted on 01/19/2016 1:55:29 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo

I know. FedGov has all the money in the world for a legal fight to go on forever. Sucks doesn’t it?


17 posted on 01/19/2016 2:51:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I know the Ninth heard the appeal. Any idea when the ruling will be announced?


18 posted on 01/19/2016 4:17:35 PM PST by semimojo
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No.

Bizarre isn't it that although Hage's case was filed in the US Court of Claims in DC, that somehow the Ninth Jerk-It got their filthy hands on it? I wasn't following it that closely and don't know why.

19 posted on 01/19/2016 5:05:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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