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1 posted on 01/19/2016 8:55:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Problem is that the 1790 act stipulates “parents” plural, which would not apply to Cruz. The notion that one parent, and especially the mother, passes on natural born citizenship is a much later innovation that wasn’t around at the time of the Founders.

Further, the Bellei case actually supports the birther case, which the author apparently doesn’t understand.


2 posted on 01/19/2016 8:59:51 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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Too late. 28% in the latest polling believe it.

Such numbers are “sticky”. Likely 1/4 of people will believe this ten years after Ted has assumed room temperature.

Trump knew EXACTLY what he was doing. Hope he is as precise and lethal when attacking Democrats.


3 posted on 01/19/2016 9:00:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Still dragging out the Clement/Katyal propaganda.

Here is a response to Clement/Katyal

5 posted on 01/19/2016 9:02:01 AM PST by kabar
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Yes..yes... just put that all out of your minds.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just take your blue pill and believe what we tell you!


7 posted on 01/19/2016 9:02:21 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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Let’s see Cruz’s CRBA.

Why hasn’t he released it?


8 posted on 01/19/2016 9:02:40 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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An act of Congress can not change the Constitution, only an ammendment can. Citizens under U.S.C. 8 .....1401, are Naturalized at birth because they are NOT Natural Born.


12 posted on 01/19/2016 9:06:33 AM PST by fastkelly
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Let’s not.


14 posted on 01/19/2016 9:07:24 AM PST by heights
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The Supremes need to make a decision. Like the 2000 election they need to get involved but BEFORE the primary season. Which means NOW.


15 posted on 01/19/2016 9:08:42 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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The past eight or so years should have proven conclusively that the various strains of birthers out there do not know about which they speak.

I'm just about fed up with all these ignorant so called "experts" who themselves do not know what the h3ll they are talking about.

Don't tell me what this or that family did. Tell me why they put the word "natural" in the requirement back in 1787.

Just tell me that. I don't care about trivia occurring hundreds of years later.

16 posted on 01/19/2016 9:09:56 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Can we drop this phony matter now? This article proves Ted Cruz is a natural-born citizen.

Sorry, GOPe!


17 posted on 01/19/2016 9:10:09 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Another one that is wrong on the case.

Don't trust me, read the case yourself. Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971)

Mr. Bellei was a US citizen who was born in Italy. His mother was a US citizen, his father was Italian.

Mr. Cruz and Mr. Bellei have identical birth circumstance for purposes of analysis, although Mr. Bellie's father never resided in the US - totally irrelevant factoid, but it is a potential difference in a different case.

Citizenship granted to Mr. Cruz and Mr. Bellei arises under slightly different statutes. As noted in opening, Mr. Bellei was a US citizen, as is Mr. Cruz. Under the Act of Congress that applied to Bellei, he had to reside in the US for certain number of years before he reached a certain age. It was a further condition, to maintain the US citizenship that he obtained at birth.

Mr. Bellei did not satisfy the conditions enumerated in the act of Congress, which created the issue that lead to the case. Mr. Bellei lost his citizenship, and sued to get it back.

If Bellei had been an NBC, his citizenship would not be subject to an Act of Congress, and could not have been stripped. The case would not exist.

The case was decided 5-4, turning on the meaning of "in", in the 14th amendment phrase "born or naturalized in the United States." Obviously, Bellei was not born in the US.

The majority said that Bellei was naturalized in Italy, not in the US. And so, it was not unconstitutional to strip him of his citizenship. The dissent felt this literal reading was wring, and "in the United states" should be read as "anywhere in the world."

The case is loaded with historical reference and at one point literally says "Bellei, as a naturalized American ..."

Don't take my word for it. I linked the case above. Correct me where I am wrong, or admit this is the was SCOTUS views citizenship acquired solely by operation of an Act of Congress.

19 posted on 01/19/2016 9:12:52 AM PST by Cboldt
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If the son of a Cuban born in Canada to an American mother is a Natural Born Citizen (NBC) of the United States our Constitution is dead. No way in hell the founders would consider such a child an NBC. In fact they would not have even consider the child an American citizen!

Your willingness to thrash our constitution to elect your guy disgusts me. You are no better then the rats that elected Zero.

20 posted on 01/19/2016 9:13:23 AM PST by jpsb (Whar)
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Cruz could have put an end to it when Trump suggested it in the WaPo interview.

Or even better, the *brilliant-minded* Cruz could have had the smarts to ANTICIPATE this to be a problem and taken care of it before running for POTUS!

The fact that he didn’t leads to to suspect it wouldn’t be that easy, and it would indeed be a problem for his eligibility, and he hoped he could skate by without vetting.


21 posted on 01/19/2016 9:13:57 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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This is classic banana republic totalitarianism, and we are better than that.

Some of the Trump followers would not have a problem with totalitarianism; many of them right here on FR have stated that would like for Trump to be a dictator so that he can 'make America great again'.

23 posted on 01/19/2016 9:15:28 AM PST by cowboyway (We're not going to be able to vote our way out of this mess.)
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Up until 1922, an American women who married a foreigner took the Citizenship of her husband. So if you rely on the 1790 law, then Eleanor saw either a Cuban, or a Canadian when Ted was born. Since the 1790 law was passed before the Constitution was ratified, it was amended in 1795 to take out the "natural born citizen" and change it to just "citizen". So it still comes down to this: Either Ted Cruz is a original-intent Constitutionalist and therefore ineligible to be President or he is a living-document Constitutionalist and eligible to be President. It is one or the other, but it can't be both.

Here is Ted Cruz certificate of birth. It says he was a Natural Born Canadian, not a Natural Born American.


24 posted on 01/19/2016 9:16:48 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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At the time of his birth, Cuba had exactly the same claim on Ted that the US did. Born abroad of one citizen parent. As far as I know, Ted is still a naturalized citizen of Cuba, for real.


25 posted on 01/19/2016 9:17:21 AM PST by Cboldt
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We’ve already got a president with a mysterious background. It would be hypocritical to put forth our own. If Cruz has nothing to hide he should welcome getting this cleared up.


29 posted on 01/19/2016 9:18:35 AM PST by McGruff (Born In The USA...Born In The USA)
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It is arguments such as this that right now, I am in the undecided side of the GOP 2016 election year in regards to Cruz and Trump.


33 posted on 01/19/2016 9:20:49 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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Sorry, no media organ, 'expert' or presidential candidate is going to convince me what I learned back in high school civics class in the 70's was a lie.

Particularly because nothing that I've learned since contradicts it.

34 posted on 01/19/2016 9:21:14 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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that Cruz is a real threat to Trump winning the nomination.""""".........

There is the fact of this matter, and Trump said so himself in the debate.

36 posted on 01/19/2016 9:28:29 AM PST by annieokie
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