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To: Helicondelta
Marco Rubio's remarks should be judged on substance as well as on form.

For the record I am unalterably opposed to the candidacy of Marco Rubio because he betrayed the nation on immigration, all as so thoroughly and damningly documented by Phyllis Schlafly. I am equally opposed to Donald Trump because he is an opportunistic bounder who has no allegiance whatsoever to conservatism but only to his own ego.

But on substance Rubio is quite correct, the problem with Barack Obama is not competence or the lack of it as Donald Trump alleges but ideology. A candidate like Donald Trump who is willing to attack Barack Obama only on the issue of competence does so for selfish reasons, he does not want people looking at Donald Trump's ideology. The very idea that our negotiators are too stupid to know what they are doing when they negotiate treaties with Iran or in the Pacific Rim is simply preposterous. These are highly intelligent people who do what they do because they believe they are right and we conservatives are wrong.

Rubio's point is important because this state of affairs cannot be cured by appointing "smart people" to negotiate or by cutting "deals" with the establishment in Washington, the problem must be solved by the recognition and implementation of conservative ideology, an argument I have been advancing on these threads for months.

Donald Trump does not take this line because he does not believe this line. Trump wants to become president so he can do what Trump wants to do. Trump is a man without ideology and that is nearly as bad as the wrong ideology. Rubio is a man who knows what the correct ideology is, but he is a sellout.

That leaves Ted Cruz as the viable choice.


3 posted on 02/06/2016 8:35:17 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Cruz has the best plan and is the only one I trust to pick SCOTUS appointees. I just think he is the least likely major candidate to beat the Democrats (other than Trump who is disaster waiting to happen)


7 posted on 02/06/2016 8:38:49 PM PST by MattinNJ (It's over Johnny. The America you knew is gone. Denial serves no purpose.)
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To: nathanbedford

So what you’re saying is that Obama setting it up where the nation his daughters will live in, will have stoning for rape victims, sharia law, the girls being mutilated so they can’t enjoy sex, have to wear a veil outdoors, can be beaten by their owners, is all a master plan he’s pushing by design?

I N C O M P E T E N C E !


10 posted on 02/06/2016 8:41:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (the Free Republic Caucus: what FReepers are thinking, 100s or 1000s of them. It's up to you.)
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To: nathanbedford

Your brilliant assessment will be met with pictures of the Donald with the Blues Brothers or Ted Cruz with a black eye.

:)

But I appreciate it. Thank you.


12 posted on 02/06/2016 8:46:42 PM PST by dp0622
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To: nathanbedford
I am equally opposed to Donald Trump because he is an opportunistic bounder who has no allegiance whatsoever to conservatism but only to his own ego

Which is why you continually fail in your posts of late. Trump is the only real conservative in this race in both platform and deed. You are blinded by an unjustified hate or just a lack of recondition of what a true patriot looks like. You jumped on cruz's failing campaign even before he started parroting Trumps positions on everything from immigration to the military. When if you were sincere in you so stated beliefs, you would have have supported Trump from the second cruz declared support for obumbers TPP at any cost.
16 posted on 02/06/2016 8:50:19 PM PST by JoSixChip (Ted Cruz (R-Goldman Sachs) - DC Values)
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To: nathanbedford
Rubio is quite correct, the problem with Barack Obama is not competence or the lack of it as Donald Trump alleges but ideology. <

Yes, and thank God for his incompetence, or things would be even worse.

18 posted on 02/06/2016 8:51:11 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: nathanbedford

Summed up very well.

I do not completely agree that Trump has no conservative ideology. I think he just has not made up his mind on many very important issues. So he tows the party platform, generally. If he promises he will appoint originalists on the Supreme Court I believe he will. If he promises to defund Planned Parenthood, I believe he will. If he promises to only support legislation that gives power to the states on education, marriage, etc. I believe he will keep his word. The problem is too many conservatives have pledged their undying support to him without him signing the prenup.

I can support Trump, but only if he commits 100% to conservatism. That’s what I am looking for.

Cruz is the only one in the game right now that I am convinced will govern conservatively, ideologically. Rubio had a great point as you said. Too bad his track record proves his is unreliable in this area.


25 posted on 02/06/2016 9:01:23 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: nathanbedford

Your incisive analysis is once again spot on.
Thank you for contributing a well-reasoned, meaningful contribution to this forum, which seems to have been overrun by willing cultists guided by the mesmerizing tunes of a modern day amalgam of the Pied Piper and PT Barnum.


42 posted on 02/06/2016 10:17:08 PM PST by brickdds
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To: nathanbedford

Rubio is a lying imbecile and that is bad because that makes him psychopathic.


49 posted on 02/07/2016 12:16:50 AM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deeper in trouble.)
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To: nathanbedford
Rubio came across poorly in that exchange but his point was spot on. It may even work out to his advantage in the long term. He will be given plenty of opportunities to talk about this and make his point in the coming days. It seems that Christy believes that if only Obama had more executive experience he would be a great president.

Its like the New York values exchange where initially it seemed like Trump got the best of Cruz but over the days following there was so much media attention that Cruz was able to hammer Trump on his liberal record.

53 posted on 02/07/2016 12:55:54 AM PST by Tramonto (Trump Fail)
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To: nathanbedford

Rubio is eloquent when not cornered. He should focus on his Senatorial position and prove to be the seasoned statesman he envisions.

Your grinding criticism of Trump’s ego is losing piquancy.


54 posted on 02/07/2016 1:25:31 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: nathanbedford

I observe and report.....

the lesson being taught and being learned is that America is not really concerned with ideology.

America is up to it’s eyeballs with leftist ideology and apparently does not want to swap left for right.


65 posted on 02/07/2016 4:58:29 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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