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University of Chicago Law Professor: Cruz not Eligible
Slate ^ | February 9, 2016 | Behind the Blue Wall

Posted on 02/09/2016 6:22:54 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall

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To: Behind the Blue Wall

People think that lawyers, judges, and pundits know the law. Lawyers are trained to defeat the law in law school. When they can’t, they become judges. At no time in that process do they study the Constitution in a thoughtful manner. How else do we arrive to 2016 with “birthright citizenship” and Canadians running for president. Cruz memorized the Constitution at an early age, but this is not synonymous with understanding. It is deeply disappointing to me that he has joined the chorus of mindless chattering knownothings in their quest to reduce the Constitution to anachronistic drivel.


21 posted on 02/09/2016 6:36:41 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

I take it that it was not a vaginal birth.


22 posted on 02/09/2016 6:37:00 AM PST by batterycommander (...Change your diaper, diaperhead. It's full of shiite.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Only those that are born within the US, have their grandparents as citizens, and only those that own lands are natural born citizen. The rest of them are hereby indentured servants or slaves.

— Sincerely your colonial administrator.


23 posted on 02/09/2016 6:37:01 AM PST by sagar (3 way race; cranky populist - Trump/Sanders, establishment - Roobio/Hillary, conservative - Cruz!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I loved the 5th grade too, but I moved on.


24 posted on 02/09/2016 6:38:37 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

the media needs to stop trying to tear down Ted Cruz because there needs to be some equal “fact” to the FACT that dark devilish Hussein Muhammed bin Obama was born in Kenya.


25 posted on 02/09/2016 6:39:20 AM PST by TraditionalMerica
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To: fwdude

What’s not funny is when Freepers turn their back on the Constitution.


26 posted on 02/09/2016 6:39:52 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: fwdude
Judges say exactly the same thing.

Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971)
Brief Summary of Rogers v. Bellei: 01/16/2016 6:14:49 PM

Fiallo v. Bell, 430 U.S. 787 (1977)
Cases citing Fiallo v. Bell

Miller v. Albright, 523 U.S. 420 (1998)
Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS, 533 U.S. 53 (2001)
Kagan, arguing to SCOTUS as Solicitor General in Flores-Villar v. United States (2010)
Thomas v. Lynch - 5th Circuit - August 7, 2015 - 14-60297

27 posted on 02/09/2016 6:41:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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Here is his main reasoning:

“a natural born citizen cannot be someone whose birth entitled him to citizenship because of a statute...”

Well, I would tell him that you can argue that EVERYTHING in the constitution is a statute, including the line that says ‘natural born’ means being only born on USA soil. So his reasoning is flawed to begin with.


28 posted on 02/09/2016 6:43:46 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Regardless of the source, the article is correct in its essential details.


29 posted on 02/09/2016 6:44:33 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (You can't have a constitution without a country to go with it)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Well, I would tell him that you can argue that EVERYTHING in the constitution is a statute

Then you don't understand the meaning of the words "constitution" nor "statute."

30 posted on 02/09/2016 6:45:35 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (You can't have a constitution without a country to go with it)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Meow.


31 posted on 02/09/2016 6:47:54 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: traderrob6

I will admit that Slate running a piece that uses the word “alien” is amusing as all heck.

I thought that term was verboten with the Left. Under penalty of public shaming and humiliation.


32 posted on 02/09/2016 6:53:08 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Well, I would tell him that you can argue that EVERYTHING in the constitution is a statute, including the line that says 'natural born' means being only born on USA soil. So his reasoning is flawed to begin with.

Natural law is not a statute.

33 posted on 02/09/2016 6:53:22 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
What’s not funny is when Freepers turn their back on the Constitution.

I know, but I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy of the left.

34 posted on 02/09/2016 6:57:39 AM PST by fwdude
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To: DiogenesLamp

Has slate ever written anything that is true?


35 posted on 02/09/2016 6:59:25 AM PST by Tripoli (Tripoli)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

In order for a law to have ANY meaning, people have to agree what words mean.

If you read Alice In Wonderland, the caterpillar would say that words only mean what he says they mean. The judge in this case is using the same reasoning. It does not make any difference what you or I think, it only matters to the judge.


36 posted on 02/09/2016 7:08:11 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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However, in the article, Posner cites approvingly the following article which argues from original intent a broader view of the phrase “natural born.”

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2712485


37 posted on 02/09/2016 7:12:57 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Tripoli
Has slate ever written anything that is true?

Not that I can remember, but even a blind squirrel may find an acorn once in awhile.

38 posted on 02/09/2016 7:16:23 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Sit back, relax, and enjoy Cruz/s Slippery Shuffle....as he twitches and turns to escape from this one.

If Cruz/s parents declared US citizenship for him in Canada, then he has a document called a Consular Report of Birth Abroad.....the legal equivalent of a US Birth Certificate.

Cruz either has one from the time of his birth or he does not. If he does not, then he is NOT a US Citizen....as he was never naturalized by his own admission.

More importantly, Canada, ruz/s birthplace did not recognize dual nationality. So it appears Cruz schemed to dupe Texas voters by the charade of renouncing his Canadian citizenship (after the Dallas Morning News exposed him).

Cruz either has that Consular Report of Birth Abroad, which is his legal proof of US Citizenship, or he doesn't.

Would appear his parents never applied for it....making Cruz a bonafide Canadian.

Significantly, Canada prohibited dual nationality at the time of Cruz/s birth.

If Cruz can/t produce Consular Report of Birth Abroad, there's a little problem with the US Senate office Cruz holds now (and was elected to under false pretenses) .......not to mention his aspirations to be US President. (hat tip Market-ticker.org/Karl Denninger)

The Texas voters he represents have a gripe or two, as well.

39 posted on 02/09/2016 7:19:33 AM PST by Liz (SAFE PLACE? A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing can penetrate it.)
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To: riverdawg
However, in the article, Posner cites approvingly the following article which argues from original intent a broader view of the phrase "natural born."

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2712485

He goes off the rails in the synopsis. No need to read the body of his essay.

40 posted on 02/09/2016 7:20:29 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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