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Trump's Dishonest Iraq War Revisionism
National Review ^ | 2/15/2016 | Charles C. W. Cooke

Posted on 02/15/2016 4:17:11 PM PST by gwjack

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To: gwjack
and you wonder why i hate bush 11 of the 15 911 hijackers were saudi, We should have gone after Saudi Arabia not Iraq.
21 posted on 02/15/2016 4:30:31 PM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: SubMareener

Cooke is a pretentious and tenditious Brit fop, who’s always putting on airs about his Oxford education.


22 posted on 02/15/2016 4:32:00 PM PST by kiryandil ("Our Muslim-In-Chief, Barack Obama - the Quislaming in the White House")
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To: The Right wing Infidel

After all bush said that “islam is a relegion of peace” Bush was and is a hardcore muslim sympathier , look what he did about kosovo .

Bush accepted the “sovereignty” of kosovo the land stolen by muslims from he christian serbs and therefore creating a muslim state in europe


23 posted on 02/15/2016 4:32:32 PM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: gwjack

....Colin Powell asserts in his new book: “there would have been no Iraq war” had then-Pres GWB and his councilors understood that Hussein did not possess any functioning unconventional weapons. Powell lauded the fact that under Bush “we got rid of the horrific Hussein” government and toppled the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.....

Oh please, Colin......the US hasn/t figured out the fervid Mideast mindset to this day? Its thousand-year-old sectarian internecine warfare was kept in check by strongmen like Saddam and Khadafi. Now these savages are marauding all over Europe.....and are coming here to kill us for what we did in Iraq.

POINTS TO PONDER

<><> Powell never mentions that the conniving Mideast types calculated the advantage of having a superpower in their midst....and they cashed in bigtime.

<><> The US gamely decided to train the indigenous population....it cost us billions and we managed to train 4-5 over five years.

<><> In the US we take them off the farm, send them to boot camp, and in 3 weeks we got soldiers.

<><> The Bank of Kabul where the CIA and DOD deposited billions to finance the war was a withdrawal-only goldmine for insiders.

<><> For public consumption, the US said we went into Iraq to show them the advantages of democracy and to get all warm and cuddly as they embraced it.

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

Remember this Colin? The war profiteering was outrageous. Neocon godfather Richard Perle relaxing in Paris (above the fray-—nowhere near his cohorts plotting in the WH Office of Special Ops) got so rich w/ insider info, he was reported to be starting his own oil company.

<><> One last thing, Colin.....GWB estimated the Iraq strike would cost $50-60 billion.......then an angry Bush fired advisor Larry Lindsey because Lindsay dared to say the war might cost more like $100 billion.

That was in 2007 dollars.

FAST FORWARD TO TODAY Iraq and Afghanistan today have cost the US some $3 TRILLION....and rivers of young blood. We/re still pouring US tax dollars into those decrepit Mideast countries, and..... as Donald says....we got NOTHING in return.


24 posted on 02/15/2016 4:32:59 PM PST by Liz (SAFE PLACE? A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing can penetrate it.)
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To: wny
All of the above, and all of those below...

Pre-war quotes from "lying" House and Senate democrats...

"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the 4 years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001."

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. Hillary Clinton

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10288&position=all

John Kerry: "I agree completely with this Administration's goal of a regime change in Iraq - Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991." (July 2002)

John Kerry: "I believe the record of Saddam Hussein's ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary."

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
Congressional Record - Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10174&position=all

John Kerry on the floor of the Senate
October 2002:

"With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question:

Why?

Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up?

Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community?

Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster?

Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke?

Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits?

Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously?

Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified?

Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10171&position=all

John Kerry: "I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that--that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (October 2002)

John Kerry: "If You Don't Believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me." (January 2003)

John Kerry: Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator who must be disarmed. (March 2003)

"The Joint Chiefs should provide Congress with casualty estimates for a war in Iraq as they have done in advance of every past conflict. These estimates should consider Saddam's possible use of chemical or biological weapons against our troops.

Unlike the gulf war, many experts believe Saddam would resort to chemical and biological weapons against our troops in a desperate -attempt to save his regime if he believes he and his regime are ultimately threatened."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Oct. 8, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. Ted Kennedy

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S10090&dbname=2002_record

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore's speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more.

We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."..."Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq's efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. John Edwards

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10325&position=all

"There is no doubt that since that time Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
http://usinfo.org/wf-archive/2001/011207/epf510.htm

"We should be hell bent on getting those weapons of mass destruction, hell bent on having a credible approach to them, but we should try to do it in a way which keeps the world together and that achieves our goal which is removing the... defanging Saddam.." -
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Dec. 9, 2002
Online with Jim Lehrer - Public Broadcasting Service

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/iraq_12-10.html

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore's speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
Congressional Record - Robert Byrd

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S9874&position=all

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record -Sen. Jay Rockefeller

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
Congressional Record - Rep. Henry Waxman

MY SOURCE FOR ALL OF THESE QUOTES:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050405093734/http://www.americandaily.com/article/4694

25 posted on 02/15/2016 4:32:59 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: moehoward

Not killing Bin Laden while he could have, was his fault, but to people like the Bushies, the Bin Ladens are of his class, and kill one of them wouldn’t be sporting.


26 posted on 02/15/2016 4:33:09 PM PST by heights
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To: wny

Pelosi, reid etc won’t vote for Trump, however, he’s got a Yuge block that will, and they are crossing over in the general! Lock and load.


27 posted on 02/15/2016 4:33:12 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: gwjack

What is this, third or fourth on the same subjects. There is a misconception that spamming this forum has any impact.


28 posted on 02/15/2016 4:33:47 PM PST by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: Boogieman; The Iceman Cometh
Then it should be simple to refute the thrust of the article by rebutting its points, instead of resorting to a lazy ad hominem.

It's even simpler to treat the National Spew like DU, or HuffPo...

29 posted on 02/15/2016 4:34:02 PM PST by kiryandil ("Our Muslim-In-Chief, Barack Obama - the Quislaming in the White House")
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To: heights

Zyklon B?


30 posted on 02/15/2016 4:34:15 PM PST by FreedomForce
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To: kiryandil

HI kiryandil,

Thank you for your comments - They make it clear you don’t agree with anything Cooke writes. Please tell us why Trump is not dishonest in his revisionism.

Thanks for playing.

gwjack

P.S. Do you always attack the messenger before considering the news he/she delivers? Just curious.


31 posted on 02/15/2016 4:34:17 PM PST by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: wny

Add my name.


32 posted on 02/15/2016 4:34:21 PM PST by heights
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To: The Right wing Infidel

So sweet>>>>Kissey kissey


33 posted on 02/15/2016 4:35:15 PM PST by heights
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To: Lagmeister

Bin Laden already had done a major attack almost a year before 911, the USS cole bombing killing scores of Americans,

Bush knew how dangerous Bin laden was and theres no excuse for his inaction


34 posted on 02/15/2016 4:35:50 PM PST by The Right wing Infidel
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To: kiryandil
Geez, dude - it's Chucky "Upchuck" Cooke from the National Spew....

Default response.

35 posted on 02/15/2016 4:36:05 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Boogieman
Probably 9/10 comments will be Trumpsters just attacking NR and the author anyway.

See above.

36 posted on 02/15/2016 4:36:42 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh
National Review has an agenda and a goal. Whatever they put out going forward is meaningless.

Their "agenda and goal" is to wake sleepy jerks up to the fact that Trump is a potentially very dangerous impostor.

37 posted on 02/15/2016 4:38:34 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: ETL

What is Cruz?


38 posted on 02/15/2016 4:39:48 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: Boogieman

Hi Boogieman,

You are correct, my FRiend. It should be simple to refute for those that disagree, but there are crickets chirping.

Like Mr. Trump, a large number of his supporters resort to ad hominem attacks, and not substance.

Gwjack


39 posted on 02/15/2016 4:41:58 PM PST by gwjack (May God give America His richest blessings.)
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To: gwjack

I read the whole thing. Nowhere mentions that W had intel Al Qaeda was going to hit us. He certainly did not “keep us safe” as Trump pointed out in the debate.

If you’re going to smear Trump with Michael Moore and Code Pink I’m sure you won’t mind being reminded that Cruz cited liberal Larry Tribe in his ringing endorsement of John Roberts. Would POTUS Cruz consult him again and selecting another liberal SCOTUS nominee? Unfortunately, we don’t know the answer to that important question.


40 posted on 02/15/2016 4:43:24 PM PST by lodi90 (TRUMP Force 1 lifting off)
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