I’ve heard the Kibbutz is the only instance of communism working.
Was that propaganda?
Didn’t Stalin dislike Jewish people? I don’t know. I’m asking.
Well, he did engineer the murder of Lev Bronstein (AKA Leon Trotsky).
-—I’ve heard the Kibbutz is the only instance of communism working.-—
Oneida and Amana worked for a pretty good while
Locally Shekinah started out good but floundered from individual greed
I don’t know if it worked or not, but it could’ve. Know why?
One critical fact: members are in VOLUNTARILY on an individual basis.
So by definition, you have members willing to comply. Also, since it’s basically private, those misbehaving by taking advantage of the situation can be expelled from the group.
This is really no different than the early Christian “Way” which acted in similar, communist fashion. The free will to join and the ability of the group to expel are key for any such system to work.
However, under Stalin, for example, once the red system was in place, you were a member whether you liked it or not. If you didn’t “behave”, then it was death or the gulags for you.
Big diff.
Stalin died before he could do to the Jews enmass what he did to others.
“Didn’t Stalin dislike Jewish people? I don’t know. I’m asking.”
Jughashvilli didn’t like some 69,000,000 people - does it matter if they were Jewish?
The kibbutz these days is probably what we would called a limited liability partnership. Soviet-style kibbutzim disappeared over time as they became financially prosperous.
Stalin was planning his own mass extermination of Jews before his death. It may have been a Jewish ‘Doctor’s Plot’ that did Stalin in.
A small community can survive as a socialist enclave within a broader free society due to the costs of socialism bei g hidden eithin the greater society and economy.
Just like portions of Europe, some countries, can stumble along using a socialist economic model as long as other free market driven nations are their to protect them ohysically and economically.
Aka....U.S.A spending vast sums on military allow small socialist natons in Europe to pretend socialism works without having to pay the costs if remaining free from invaders.
On a small scale communal living can work for a period of time. The Shaker movement in America is an example and the more successful ones tend, as with the early Kibbutzim in Israel, to have a strong religious foundation. Also, coalescing to survive in a hostile environment like Palestine under the British mandate and living as a military unit under constant Arab threat kept them together. But over the years many kibbutzim evolved into what amount to employee owned companies. The purely political Communistic ones like the kibbutz Sanders apparently lived on for awhile may not even exist anymore. It would be interesting to hear some Israelis comment.