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Charles Koch says he actually agrees with Bernie Sanders
New York Post ^ | February 19, 2016 | Geoff Earle

Posted on 02/20/2016 2:26:20 PM PST by TBP

Billionaire Charles Koch’s political network plans to spend hundreds of millions to back Republicans in 2016, but he has penned an article agreeing with Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders about an economic system he calls “rigged to help the privileged few.”

“He believes we have a two-tiered society that increasingly dooms millions of our fellow citizens to lives of poverty and hopelessness,” he wrote in the Washington Post.

“He thinks many corporations seek and benefit from corporate welfare while ordinary citizens are denied opportunities . . . I agree with him.”

But Koch offered a solution Sanders was sure to reject — stop the government from interfering with the free market.

Koch also backed Sanders’ call for criminal justice reforms.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; billionaires; economics; freemarket; gaykkk; homosexualagenda; koch; kochbrothers; kochsuckers; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; sanders; snaders
Sanders gets the problem right, but the solution completely wrong.
1 posted on 02/20/2016 2:26:20 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

Absolutely! Sanders and Koch are both right. However, Trump and Cruz have also said the same thing.


2 posted on 02/20/2016 2:29:32 PM PST by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: Smedley

the difference is, Trump likes that cronyism more than Sanders, the Kochs or Cruz.


3 posted on 02/20/2016 2:31:16 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: TBP

That Hillary smells like yesterday’s can of kippered herring?


4 posted on 02/20/2016 2:32:12 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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5 posted on 02/20/2016 2:34:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: TBP

This is faulty reasoning and simplistic. The problem is that the government monopoly on education with expensive failures and coupled with a systemic apathy that doesn’t value learning while left wingers see it as an institution to promote their ideology. It ignores that mandatory entitlement spending, entire federal departments, discretionary programs, and more that foster a permanent and growing underclass. It is pointless to pander to a man that has spent a lifetime with no gainful employment promoting crackpot Marxist ideas by expressing some general agreement about a rigged system.


6 posted on 02/20/2016 2:40:22 PM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: TBP

The problems we can generally agree on. It’s the solutions that make the difference. Bernie and Koch are correct about the problems. They’re both very bright people. Bernie’s wrong, however, on solutions. More big government and communism and less individual liberty are exactly the wrong prescriptions to solve what ails America and out jobs market


7 posted on 02/20/2016 2:41:36 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: DoughtyOne

Donald Trump had the Clintons at his wedding, he supported Hillary’s NY Senate Campaign, praised her in 2007, contributed to her campaigns, donated to her foundation, consulted Bill Clinton before running in 2016. Your tagline really doesn’t sit well with me.


8 posted on 02/20/2016 2:44:11 PM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: TBP

Koch is absolutely correct about the evils of crony capitalism. So is Sanders. Where Sanders goes wrong, as a socialist, is that he things capitalism is inherently crony capitalism. Sanders is old enough to know better, but he’s a long-time loonie socialist. Many young people who support Sanders have only seen capitalism function in the form of crony capitalism, and they’ve never learned in either history or economics classes that capitalism is and was something else, so it’s hardly surprising they support Bernie.


9 posted on 02/20/2016 2:44:17 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Islam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: A Conservative Thinker

Well, buck up because my tagline expresses my thoughts, not yours.

We’ve been through this for eight months and I’m not going to take you by the hand and explain it again.


10 posted on 02/20/2016 2:45:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Of course..he’s a Kelo supporter, he supported TARP, he supported Obama’s Stimulus, and when you seek to legally bar competition in upstate New York to prevent competition with Atlantic City..you’re a crony capitalist.


11 posted on 02/20/2016 2:49:13 PM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: DoughtyOne

Your tagline is absurd and there’s no rational explanation.


12 posted on 02/20/2016 2:50:29 PM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: A Conservative Thinker

Last year when Trump was running, a certain group of folks said it was only to help Hillary. Of course that was very very bad.

Now when Trump is almost certainly going to be the nominee, the trashing of him can only help Hillary. And of course that isn’t very very bad.

Great consistency there...


13 posted on 02/20/2016 2:55:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: A Conservative Thinker
yeah, here's my new run down:

Nothing says taking a wrecking ball to the Uni-party like supporting TARP, Stimulus, Obama Care mandate, the union bail outs, supporting Cindy Sheehan and code pink, doing deals with Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, supporting Mitch McConnell over Matt Bevin and doing so because Mitch brings the bacon back to his state, and supporting the ethanol scam, funding of Planned Parenthood.

Yeah that Trumpster, he’s a real wrecking ball that one! /s

14 posted on 02/20/2016 2:58:44 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yes. I do remember Donald Trump contributed to McConnell’s PAC and Karl Rove’s American Crossroads PAC that was running pro-amnesty ads in 2013.


15 posted on 02/20/2016 3:03:18 PM PST by A Conservative Thinker (Ted Cruz 2016 - Trump in '04: "I probably identify more as Democrat")
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To: TBP

I never thought I would say this, the system is against the non-rich at this point.

I don’t believe in redistribution at all.

The market as a whole is at a point where becoming wealthy from non wealth is virtually impossible.

The indicator I look at is real estate. Can a person buy a piece of land, build a house, sell it, and make a profit? I believe the answer is no at this point. Large companies with volume discounts on labor and materials and established business networking are the only ones that can make a profit.

The worst part is that the market is almost at the point where a family cannot function on one income. Even six figure incomes can barely get by with a family in large parts of the country right now.

Good luck buying a house in a middle-class neighborhood.

One spouse has to dedicate their income to paying the mortgage.

In a dynamic system no one can remain in the same place financially for very long. You either progress or fall back because the system is constantly changing. What this means is, if fewer people are become wealthy, more people are actually losing wealth.

If this doesn’t stop... there will be some level of revolution in this country.

All you have to do is look at who did what in the wake of hurricane Katrina. Inner city blacks did nothing. They were completely paralyzed waiting for the government to save them.

It was the suburbanite middle-class whites that got up and got out and took care of their business. These are the movers and shakers. These are the people you need to watch for... and not the urban farmers either.


16 posted on 02/20/2016 3:13:12 PM PST by StormPrepper
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To: BenLurkin
That Hillary smells like yesterdayyear's can of kippered herring?
17 posted on 02/20/2016 3:15:45 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: TBP; All
Thank you for referencing that article TBP. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

To begin with, note that low-information Bernie Sanders and former Senator Hillary Clinton are excellent examples why the ill-conceived 17th Amendment should never have been ratified.

Next, and with all due respect to mom & pop, please consider the following. If the parents of Charles Koch had made sure that their son was taught about the federal governments constitutionally limited powers, then he would likely be able to argue the following point against Sanders institutionally-indoctrinated belief that federal government interference is the way to strengthen the federal government-crippled ”free market” (my wording).

Regardless what FDRs state sovereignty-ignoring justices wanted everybody to believe about the scope of Congresss Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified the following about those powers. The states have actually never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and provide vote-winning federal funding for the purposes of INTRAstate commerce.

Remember in November !

When patriots elect Trump, Cruz, or whatever conservative they elect, they need to also elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will not only work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, but also protect the states from unconstitutional federal government overreach.

Also, consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

18 posted on 02/20/2016 3:26:17 PM PST by Amendment10
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