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Show This Column to Anyone Who Claims Bush Lied about WMDs in Iraq
Townhall.com ^ | February 21, 2016 | John Hawkins

Posted on 02/21/2016 5:27:38 AM PST by Kaslin

Throughout the Bush years, liberals repeated "Bush lied, people died" like a mantra. That slander wasn't true then and it's not anymore true now that it has resurfaced. There are many legitimate criticisms of the way the Bush Administration conducted the war in Iraq and even more of the way Obama threw away all the blood and treasure we spent there for the sake of politics, but you have to be malicious or just an imbecile at this point to accuse Bush of lying about WMDs.

To begin with, numerous foreign intelligence agencies also believed that Saddam Hussein had an active WMD program. The "intelligence agencies of Germany, Israel, Russia, Britain, China and France" all believed Saddam had WMDs. CIA Director George Tenet also rather famously said that it was a "slam dunk" that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"Incidentally, it's hard to fault the CIA for their conclusions when even, "In private conversations that were intercepted by U.S. intelligence, Iraqi officials spoke as if Saddam continued to possess WMD. Even Iraqi generals believed he did. In the fall of 2002, the Iraqi military conducted exercises in chemical protective gear - but not because they thought the U.S.-led coalition was going to use chemical weapons."

Additionally, many prominent Democrats who had access to the same intelligence that George Bush did came to the same conclusion and said so publicly. If George W. Bush lied, then by default you have to also believe that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, John Edwards, Robert Byrd, Tom Daschle, Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders also lied. Some of them, like Hillary Clinton, even alleged that Saddam was working on nuclear weapons.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Even Bernie Sanders, who opposed the war from the beginning, publicly said he believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

 

Mr. Speaker, the front page of The Washington Post today reported that all relevant U.S. intelligence agencies now say, despite what we have heard from the White House, that "Saddam Hussein is unlikely to initiate a chemical or biological attack against the United States." Even more importantly, our intelligence agencies say that should Saddam conclude that a U.S.-led attack could no longer be deterred, he might at that point launch a chemical or biological counterattack. In other words, there is more danger of an attack on the United States if we launch a precipitous invasion.

You can't blame Bernie and Hillary too much for thinking Iraq had WMDs because privately, even former weapons UN inspectors were saying the same thing.

Additional confirmation of this latter point comes from Kenneth Pollack, who served in the National Security Council under Clinton. "In the late spring of 2002," Pollack has written,

I participated in a Washington meeting about Iraqi WMD. Those present included nearly twenty former inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), the force established in 1991 to oversee the elimination of WMD in Iraq. One of the senior people put a question to the group: did anyone in the room doubt that Iraq was currently operating a secret centrifuge plant? No one did.

Furthermore, as even the New York Times has been forced to admit, large numbers of pre-Gulf War WMDs have actually been found in Iraq.

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein's rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

One of the reasons Saddam Hussein went to such great lengths to hide what he was doing was because he did have thousands of old WMDS stockpiled.  However, that wasn't all there was to it. Even though the ultimate conclusion of the Iraqi Survey Group was that Saddam didn't have an active WMD program, his hands were far from clean on the WMD front.

As David Kay noted in his report back in 2003,

...When Saddam had asked a senior military official in either 2001 or 2002 how long it would take to produce new chemical agent and weapons, he told ISG that after he consulted with CW experts in OMI he responded it would take six months for mustard.

Another senior Iraqi chemical weapons expert in responding to a request in mid-2002 from Uday Husayn for CW for the Fedayeen Saddam estimated that it would take two months to produce mustard and two years for Sarin."

— "…(O)ne scientist confirmed that the production line…..could be switched to produce anthrax in one week if the seed stock were available."

...With regard to Iraq's nuclear program, the testimony we have obtained from Iraqi scientists and senior government officials should clear up any doubts about whether Saddam still wanted to obtain nuclear weapons.

They have told ISG that Saddam… remained firmly committed to acquiring nuclear weapons. These officials assert that Saddam would have resumed nuclear weapons development at some future point. Some indicated a resumption after Iraq was free of sanctions."

"1. Saddam, at least as judged by those scientists and other insiders who worked in his military-industrial programs, had not given up his aspirations and intentions to continue to acquire weapons of mass destruction. Even those senior officials we have interviewed who claim no direct knowledge of any on-going prohibited activities readily acknowledge that Saddam intended to resume these programs whenever the external restrictions were removed. Several of these officials acknowledge receiving inquiries since 2000 from Saddam or his sons about how long it would take to either restart CW production or make available chemical weapons."

The Duelfer report also noted that Saddam had every intention of making more WMDs.

"(S)ources indicate that M16 was planning to produce several CW agents including sulfur mustard, nitrogen mustard, and Sarin."

In other words, it is true that no stockpiles of new WMDS were found and the people in the best position to know didn't conclude the weapons were moved to Syria. However, had Saddam Hussein not been taken out, he would have still had stockpiles of old WMDs available and he had every intention of making more.

Given all of that, it's no surprise that everyone from the head of the CIA to Bernie Sanders to the British thought that Saddam had WMDs; yet George W. Bush is the one who is accused of deliberately sending American soldiers to their deaths over a lie. 


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KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedainiraq; aqi; aqiniraq; bush; iraq; isil; isis; oilforfood; saddam; trump; unoff; unoilforfood; whatthetrump; wmd; wmds
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To: scooby321
Hey Trumpbot, what does Marco Rubio have to do with this? He wasn't even in the US Congress (Senate) until he was elected to the US Senate in 2010, seven years after the Iraq war started. Besides Townhall.com did not write the op-ed, John Hawkins did.

Now go and study the difference between a publisher (Townhall.com) and an author of an Op-ed (John Hawkins)

21 posted on 02/21/2016 6:33:48 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Romulus

You’re not? Bwahahahaha, yeah right. Stop fooling yourself


22 posted on 02/21/2016 6:36:19 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

George W got a bad rap and Trump would be wise to back off now that Jebby is out of it. W had his problems but I do have respect for him. Consider how things would have went down if Algore was elected.


23 posted on 02/21/2016 6:37:31 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Romulus

“Bush lied. And I am not a liberal.’

So why did Clinton have his CIA falsify the reports and how do you know Bush knew Clinton’s CIA reports were false?


24 posted on 02/21/2016 6:40:09 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Kaslin

We went from purple fingers to total chaos because of the 2008 election. And then came 2012 when people knew what he was and decided to stay home or vote 3rd party anyway. That would show ‘em.


25 posted on 02/21/2016 6:41:42 AM PST by doug from upland (Some of you keep telling yourself -- Romney would have been as bad or worse.)
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To: MarvinStinson

My Two Cents: while I was in Iraq in 2004-2005, a couple of CI guys I worked with had multiple reports from multiple sources of buried chemical weapons and delivery systems buried at various locations — and this was at the local/regional level.

In addition, Saddam did have a stockpile of yellow cake uranium which was removed in 2008. Some was semi-refined and containerized. This stockpile was documented by the UN weapons inspectors in previous years, but was still under Iraqi control. I cannot find the article anymore on 500,000 tons (@ five medium ship loads) of raw yellow cake removed from Iraq in 2008.


26 posted on 02/21/2016 6:56:05 AM PST by Bill Russell
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To: Kaslin

Saudi operatives flew the planes on 9/11.
Bin Laden was holed up in Afghanistan.
Where did Iraq fit into that scenario?
We bombed the wrong country. It should have been Saudi Arabia.


27 posted on 02/21/2016 7:13:52 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Kaslin

Everyone, including the Clintons, John Kerry, Schumer, Kennedy and nearly every liberal stated publicly that Sadam had WMD’s. It’s not hard to find on the internet. The truth has become hopelessly and sadly irrelevant.


28 posted on 02/21/2016 7:17:17 AM PST by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Bill Russell

Thanks for that.


29 posted on 02/21/2016 7:24:27 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Spok

Including the Useless Nations


30 posted on 02/21/2016 7:25:01 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Bill Russell

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says

by Brianna Keilar and Larry Shaughnessy Mon July 7, 2008
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

Pentagon: U.S. secretly shipped Iraq’s low-grade uranium dating back to Hussein era

Officials: U.S. military spent $70 million for the transport of materials to Canada

“Yellowcake” uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The United States secretly shipped out of Iraq more than 500 tons of low-grade uranium dating back to the Saddam Hussein era, the Pentagon said Monday.

The U.S. military spent $70 million ensuring the safe transportation of 550 metric tons of the uranium from Iraq to Canada, said Pentagon spokesman Brian Whitman.

The shipment, which until recently was kept secret, involved a U.S. truck convoy, 37 cargo flights out of Baghdad to a transitional location, and then a transoceanic voyage on board a U.S.-government-owned ship designed to carry troops to a war zone, he said.

The “yellowcake” uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government at the encouragement of the U.S. government, Whitman said.

The United States approached Canadian company Cameco to bid for the material, according Cameco spokesman Lyle Krahn. He would not disclose the winning bid amount.

Krahn admitted that this was not a “routine transaction,” but he said the agreement was approved by the Canadian government and was carefully monitored.

The undertaking, named “Operation McCall” by Pentagon officials, was in the planning stages for months and was completed Saturday after the material had been in transit for weeks, according to Whitman.

He said yellowcake uranium is a commonly traded commodity used for nuclear power generation. It is not enriched and cannot be used without first going through a complicated enrichment process, he said, but because of the unstable nature of Iraq, the United States and the Iraqi government decided it should be moved out of that country. Iraq has no nuclear power generating plants.

The uranium was packed into 110 shipping containers moved by convoy from a facility in Tuwaitha, Iraq, about 12 miles south of Baghdad. The containers were first moved to the secure International Zone in central Baghdad and then to Baghdad International Airport, where thery were loaded onto C-17 cargo planes.

It took 37 flights to move the shipping containers out of Iraq to a “third country,” Whitman said.

A Pentagon official who asked not to be named said that third country was Diego Garcia, a British territory in the Indian Ocean where the United Kingdom and the United States operate a joint military base.

From that third country, Whitman said, the containers were loaded onto the SS Gopher State, a U.S.-owned crane ship normally used to haul equipment in and out of war zones. The ship carried the uranium to Canada, where it was bought by Cameco, a private firm.

The uranium will be sent by truck to two processing plants in Ontario, Krahn said. Once it has been enriched for energy use it will be sold to power plant operators, he said.

The United States is Cameco’s largest customer, Krahn said, but he did not specify if the Iraq yellowcake would ultimately end up in the United States.

Whitman said the Department of Defense’s cost of securing and transporting the uranium from Tuwaitha to Canada was $70 million, and the government of Iraq had agreed in principal to reimburse the United States for part of that cost.

He said he could not say how much Iraq intends to repay the United States.


31 posted on 02/21/2016 7:29:39 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Bill Russell

Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq

Last major stockpile from Saddam’s nuclear efforts arrives in Canada

7/5/2008
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.VsnY_vkrKAQ

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of “yellowcake” — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam’s nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

What’s now left is the final and complicated push to clean up the remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad — using teams that include Iraqi experts recently trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.

“Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq,” said a senior U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to The Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called “dirty bomb” — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.

The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth “tens of millions of dollars.” A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to discuss the price, but said the yellowcake will be processed at facilities in Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.

“We are pleased ... that we have taken (the yellowcake) from a volatile region into a stable area to produce clean electricity,” he said.

Secret mission

The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and military initiatives — kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the convoys were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad, then on 37 military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia and finally aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for a 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.

And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts to stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about Saddam’s weapons capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.

Accusations that Saddam had tried to purchase more yellowcake from the African nation of Niger — and an article by a former U.S. ambassador refuting the claims — led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington leaks that reached high into the Bush administration.

Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well known for decades as the centerpiece of Saddam’s nuclear efforts.
Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have guarded the 23,000-acre site — surrounded by huge sand berms — following a wave of looting after Saddam’s fall that included villagers toting away yellowcake storage barrels for use as drinking water cisterns.

Yellowcake is obtained by using various solutions to leach out uranium from raw ore and can have a corn meal-like color and consistency. It poses no severe risk if stored and sealed properly. But exposure carries well-documented health concerns associated with heavy metals such as damage to internal organs, experts say.

“The big problem comes with any inhalation of any of the yellowcake dust,” said Doug Brugge, a professor of public health issues at the Tufts University School of Medicine.
Hurdles ahead of hauling yellowcake

Diplomats and military leaders first weighed the idea of shipping the yellowcake overland to Kuwait’s port on the Persian Gulf. Such a route, however, would pass through Iraq’s Shiite heartland and within easy range of extremist factions, including some that Washington claims are aided by Iran. The ship also would need to clear the narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf, where U.S. and Iranian ships often come in close contact.

Kuwaiti authorities, too, were reluctant to open their borders to the shipment despite top-level lobbying from Washington.
An alternative plan took shape: shipping out the yellowcake on cargo planes.

But the yellowcake still needed a final destination. Iraqi government officials sought buyers on the commercial market, where uranium prices spiked at about $120 per pound last year. It’s currently selling for about half that. The Cameco deal was reached earlier this year, the official said.

At that point, U.S.-led crews began removing the yellowcake from the Saddam-era containers — some leaking or weakened by corrosion — and reloading the material into about 3,500 secure barrels.

In April, truck convoys started moving the yellowcake from Tuwaitha to Baghdad’s international airport, the official said. Then, for two weeks in May, it was ferried in 37 flights to Diego Garcia, a speck of British territory in the Indian Ocean where the U.S. military maintains a base.
On June 3, an American ship left the island for Montreal, said the official, who declined to give further details about the operation.
The yellowcake wasn’t the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha.
Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex.

The lead-enclosed irradiation units, used to decontaminate food and other items, contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon, according to the official. Their Ottawa-based manufacturer, MDS Nordion, took them back for free, the official said.

Saddam’s stockpile

The yellowcake was the last major stockpile from Saddam’s nuclear efforts, but years of final cleanup is ahead for Tuwaitha and other smaller sites.

The U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency plans to offer technical expertise.

Last month, a team of Iraqi nuclear experts completed training in the Ukrainian ghost town of Pripyat, which once housed the Chernobyl workers before the deadly meltdown in 1986, said an IAEA official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decontamination plan has not yet been publicly announced.

But the job ahead is enormous, complicated by digging out radioactive “hot zones” entombed in concrete during Saddam’s rule, said the IAEA official. Last year, an IAEA safety expert, Dennis Reisenweaver, predicted the cleanup could take “many years.”

The yellowcake issue also is one of the many troubling footnotes of the war for Washington.

A CIA officer, Valerie Plame, claimed her identity was leaked to journalists to retaliate against her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who wrote that he had found no evidence to support assertions that Iraq tried to buy additional yellowcake from Niger.

A federal investigation led to the conviction of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice.


32 posted on 02/21/2016 7:38:04 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Romulus

Are you Code Pinko?


33 posted on 02/21/2016 7:39:42 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: New Jersey Realist

Too late for Trump to back off.

That was stupid of him to echo Code Pinko.


34 posted on 02/21/2016 7:42:29 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Kaslin

Can anyone refer me to a you tube which shows GW saying “we have to invade Iraq because they have WMD’s”?


35 posted on 02/21/2016 7:42:40 AM PST by Ceebass
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To: Kaslin

OF COURSE THERE WERE

WE GAVE THEN TO SADDAM TO FIGHT IRAN

YEP


36 posted on 02/21/2016 7:42:49 AM PST by zzwhale
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To: MarvinStinson

I haven’t parsed the entire articel but the statement that even Bernie Sanders said Iraq has WMDs does’t appear to be accurate. Invadign Iraq was strategic miscalculation of enormous scope. Saddam was a a counter weight to Iran. Nor was there as no clear and present danger to the US. The invasion was a mistake, pure and simple. No amount of “He would have developed...” can excuse such a previous error. Bush was looking for his war and used every deceit to achieve it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernie-sanders/flashback-rep-bernie-sand_b_8274612.html


37 posted on 02/21/2016 7:44:45 AM PST by pacific_waters
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To: Fai Mao
He didn't lie I think he believed what he said was true. He was just terribly wrong

Yep.

38 posted on 02/21/2016 7:48:26 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: pacific_waters

Your “authority” is the Huffington Post?

Are you sure you are on the right website?


39 posted on 02/21/2016 7:51:30 AM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Bill Russell

The 500+ tons of yellow cake you’re referring to came from Iraq’s abandoned civilian nuclear program in the 1980s and had been stored there with the knowledge and under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency

The yellow cake was eventually removed as a safety precaution (you might recall hearing about looters using empty drums from the Tuwaitha nuclear research center for drinking water) but the stored yellow cake was not viewed as evidence of an attempt to acquire nuclear weapons by Saddam.


40 posted on 02/21/2016 7:58:39 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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