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I go to a competitive high school in surburbia. The stress is killing me.
MSN News ^ | MARCH 29, 2016 | Ethan Brown

Posted on 03/29/2016 6:35:00 AM PDT by detective

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To: HLPhat
“today’s cadre of liberal edumacators are so busy teaching everybody else’s kids how not to compete by making sure everybody gets a trophy/ribbon/cookie”

In playing sports I told my kids:

Never brag about yourself
Be supportive of your team mates(tell the truth if they screw up, but no name calling or personal attacks)
Play whatever position the coach wants you to play without complaint.
Don't argue with the coach
Don't whine or complain
When you are on the field keep your head in the game and play as hard as you can

I knew my kids would never be professional athletes. But they enjoyed playing and had fun.

41 posted on 03/29/2016 7:14:56 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

Our daughter took AP Physics and some others, the physics class was hard for her.

So I offered her $1,000.00 cash for an’A’.
She negotiated a scale for lesser grades.

That teacher hated me!
He gave her the ‘A’; just so she could take my cash!

Our former Marine Infantrymen son now teaches two AP classes.


42 posted on 03/29/2016 7:15:24 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: detective
I think that both of my daughters would say that 11th grade was more stressful than any year in college. With needing to be at school from 7-2, plus extra curriculars that some days kept them there until 7-8 in the evening, plus having to do the homework for AP classes and maintain the GPA that could get you accepted at the college down the road, in our case U of M.
College on the other hand had an in class commitment of 2-4 hours per day; much more free time to study. My older daughter did have the added stress of maintaining a very high GPA in order to keep her scholarship. She was also pre-med which was a bit stressful. Neither of them opted for a science or engineering degree which may have been more rigorous and thus, more stressful.
43 posted on 03/29/2016 7:17:58 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: detective

My son took all AP, graduated from HS a year early, went to Juco his Sr. year then on to University where he excelled in every way. He had challenges but we heard hardly a word about them. Some people have it and some people don’t.

A man has to know his limitations. God gives wisdom without measure but He says that intelligence is measured and to each a portion is given but it is not equal. Good thing for me the wisdom part is unlimited and I can pray for more.

Snowflakes, unless they toughen up we are doomed.


44 posted on 03/29/2016 7:19:34 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: detective

You don’t see the Asian kids wasting time writing the whiny screed that Ethan Brown just barfed up. They’re too busy studying.


45 posted on 03/29/2016 7:20:43 AM PDT by henkster
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To: detective

Haven’t read the article, but I do think there is too much stress on kids these days. The schools and parents make them feel like failures if they can’t handle all the AP courses. The Asian kids parents are really terrible if their kids don”t do wrll.

They make kids feel like failures for going to state colleges or community colleges.

My daughter has a movement disorder that is made worse with stress. She was diagnosed her freshman year of high school. It causes cramping and movements in her hand.

She was on the Ivy League track. She was a star flute player, took lots of honors classes at a top private school in Silicon Valley.

She had to give up flute and she dropped down to the bare minimum of classes to get out of high school because she couldn’t handle the writing.

She was so dissappointed abd depressed. I kept telling her it would all work out. My husband went to community college first, do I wasn’t worried if she went that way. However, she actually liked not being in the AP classes because she wasn’t assigned as much busy work.

The thing is she is brilliant and she was shocked when she got a 35 out of 36 on her ACT her first time without studying. She got multiple scholarships to goid colleges without all the AP classes.

She didn’t pick the hardest most prestigious college.

She loves colkege. It doesn’t have the busy work like high school. She gets notes taken for her. Much less stress and more learning in college, and she has a 4.0.

My other daughter decided early on to skip the push for a 4 year college. She has a brain injury, and was exhausted from having to be in class all day long.

She’s loving community college. She says it’s much less stressful than high school. She’s taking 12 credit hours a semester, and it’s a good amount for her. She’s not exhausted, and she had time for church and family activities. She’s says she’s learning a lot more now.

She had a 4.0 after her first semester.

High schools are stressing kids out stupid busy work. Lots of stupid group projects that take way too much time and are hard to coordinate with menbers. I personally think the high schools should limit AP courses. A kid does not need to take 18 AP classes in high school.

We are in California. I told my kuds not to count on the UCs because they are too unpredictable. My son got into all the ones he applied to, but didn’t go. My daughter didn’t even apply to them.


46 posted on 03/29/2016 7:21:53 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: taxcontrol

Most competitive colleges require at least 5 AP classes to even be considered for admission.


47 posted on 03/29/2016 7:23:47 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: dsrtsage

The world needs ditch diggers too...


48 posted on 03/29/2016 7:24:47 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: detective
Sports can be valuable contexts in which to teach individuals about how exercising stewardship over one's time and resources through persistence, hard-work, and good leadership, relates to the "real world"...

...but that's not what's being taught when "everybody gets a ribbon".

What's being taught there, instead, is that it's ok to fail (and not be competition for the predators who are gaming the system).

49 posted on 03/29/2016 7:27:19 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: detective

To be a member of anything with “Alliance” in its name, you must already be “stressed” and “victimized.” “Happy” need not apply. Thems the rules.


50 posted on 03/29/2016 7:28:03 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Don't call them Daesh OR ISIS or ISIL, they are always "ISLAMIC State.")
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To: henkster

Actually, they are really messed up, and a lot of them are attempting suicide. It’s actually very sad.


51 posted on 03/29/2016 7:28:36 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: CodeToad
The SAT has been dumbed down and the schools now teach the SAT as a course, yet, the average SAT score is now below 1000. An SAT score of 1000 used to mean “join the Army, dummy, college ain’t for you.”
Whereas when I was taking the SAT only 10% of all HS students went to college, that figure went past 50% a long time ago.

That probably accounts for a little of the difference . . .


52 posted on 03/29/2016 7:33:01 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I have yet to find a single college that will not take a student who first gets their associates degree through a community college and performs well at that level.


53 posted on 03/29/2016 7:37:00 AM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: dsrtsage

The problem is the lack of faith in Christianity which used to be promoted and supported until the evil humanist John Dewey destroyed education (curricula and forcing “mandatory” system of indoctrination controlled by the State instead of family). Dewey created curricula for programming only (operant conditioning-—emotion (desires/attitudes) control only). Truth (God) and the ideas that created the Mind of Newton and Tesla was erased. Only an understanding of Objective Truth (God) and Natural Law Theory (God’s Design of the Universe) can create Rational, brilliant critical “thinkers”. All else is based on irrational nonsense and man-made up “facts” that are irrational and erase Truth and Wisdom of the Ages.

Wisdom is being able to discern Good and Evil (Cicero). Erasing Christianity destroys Good and Evil (Wisdom of the Ages), and injects the irrational man-made atheist/satanic “ethics” where human beings can be used in vile, degrading ways and promoted in “Just” (lol) “laws” (homosexuality) or be killed and sacrificed (abortion) and sold (baby-parts) or cloned-—Frankenstein science, where man makes themselves into God.

When you only worry about what God “thinks” and not about what other people “think”-—you don’t have the stress or worries at all, if you always do your best and have your mind in the right place that God desires. It is why Marx stated that religion is the opium of the masses——Christianity prevents “group think” and group control of attitudes and desires. God is in control which sets man totally FREE of the oppression of mankind’s stupid “opinion” or controlled “rating” system by a few psychopathic elites/the enslavement system.

So.....that is why Christianity is so demeaned and being eliminated from the mindsets of American children in today’s “system” of brainwashing. IT is to make emotional cripples so the State (system) can easily control them from cradle to birth—shape all their emotions/attitudes for slavery to eject all self-reliance/autonomy that emotionally, flourishing true Christians always will have—true happiness.

These people aren’t being trained to be “critical thinkers”, they are being programmed only, to regugitate what the State dictates is Good and Evil or Right or “Scientific”. But no theory/science is the Truth, nor can it be the Truth (God). Theories will always change and be found “wrong”.

That is the problem with education today-—they eliminated the only rational “faith” in the history of man, which created the Age of Reason and Modern Science and the most Free, Just “system” of “Law” (Rule of Law, not Rule of Man) in history. They promote Scientism/Humanism——which is really anti-humanism since man is just a godless (non-rational) animal-—since it makes man into gods (ignorant)-—which is as irrational and evil and dumb as it gets.

All men have a “faith” but only one faith has been proven to create the most free, just, and superior minds in the history of the World. (For collectives/socialism the worldview of Christianity has to be erased in children so the concepts of free will and individualism (God given Natural Rights) is eliminated so only tribal/serf minds (irrational) exist. The super-elites want us back like in Egyptian times—masses just interchangeable drones/slaves of the elites whom they can use or kill at their whim.


54 posted on 03/29/2016 7:38:37 AM PDT by savagesusie (quq)
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To: detective

I’M GOING TO WRITE LOTS OF WORDS TO TELL EVERYBODY THAT THEY JUST. DON’T. UNDERSTAND. MY. LIFE!

I’M A TEENAGER AND NONE OF YOU GROWN-UPS KNOW ANYTHIIIIING!!

I bet Mr. Teen Angst McWhinypants can easily find himself a job as a cocktail waiter in a gay bar, wearing buttless chaps. I understand they make bank, and their lives are intellectually stress free.


55 posted on 03/29/2016 7:38:57 AM PDT by angryoldfatman
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To: detective

Mid 20s and management jobs? Really?

I would understand late 20s, but 25 year old “managers” are in bogus titles only, unless they are sales managers who have crushed their quotas


56 posted on 03/29/2016 7:39:27 AM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: luckystarmom

I should have put the ‘sarc’ tag on my post. You’re going to have negative consequences for any kid who is pushed too hard.

I am adult “advisor” for our local high school’s “We The People” team, and having won the state tournament, we are preparing for national competition in Washington D. C. next month. These are all very bright and motivated kids; of the four I coach, one is in the band and wants to be a Chemical Engineer, one plays soccer and wants to be a geneticist, one wants be a pharmacologist and one is a wrestler who will study military science. All have scholarship offers. I have to admit to be competitive, the program is demanding of their time. It is very hard to get the right balance of preparation for competition and also have the kids find time for their other classes, work, sports, band, etc... On the one hand, the opportunity to win a national championship in anything is an opportunity few get, and probably will not happen again. On the other hand, it’s not worth burning them out and has to be a rewarding experience. Finding that right balance is really, really hard.


57 posted on 03/29/2016 7:39:50 AM PDT by henkster
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What? Drop being the leader of the **Gay** Alliance?

If he did that he wouldn't get into the Ivy League school of his choice.

( Is a sarcasm tag needed?)

58 posted on 03/29/2016 7:42:39 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: detective

I took AT (academically talented) classes all four years of HS. It was made clear that they were intended to be college prep and college level courses from my Freshman year through Senior. Yes, it was challenging. But this was back in the 1970s.

This snowflake will melt away in his first fifteen minutes in the real world.

L


59 posted on 03/29/2016 7:43:52 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: luckystarmom

What in the world?

You’ve got two daughters, and they BOTH have neurological problems?

That’s about as unlucky as they come.


60 posted on 03/29/2016 7:49:46 AM PDT by angryoldfatman
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