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Trump’s Health Care Plan Just Got Scarier
The American Spectator ^ | April 11, 2016 | David Catron

Posted on 04/12/2016 6:55:33 AM PDT by Kaslin

Ronald Reagan famously said that the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: “I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” As Obamacare has demonstrated all too clearly, any such declaration from a federal official is indeed cause for alarm. Nearly as scary for conservatives is the word, bipartisan, when uttered by a Republican candidate for office or one of his close advisers. This is why conservatives of all stripes should be unnerved that Sam Clovis, chief policy adviser to Donald Trump, told the New York Times last Friday that any replacement for Obamacare “must be bipartisan.”

“Bipartisan,” when used by a GOP candidate, is usually a signal to the Democrats that many of his ostensible principles are negotiable. It is particularly worrisome when deployed by an adviser to Trump, who has been on all sides of the health care debate, depending on the political exigencies of the moment. “The Donald” has, of course, often lavished praise on the government-run health care systems of countries like Canada and Scotland yet now pledges to replace Obamacare with a bilious admixture of its worst elements and even dumber proposals long advocated by the Democrats.

In other words, because it contains a wide variety of bad Democrat ideas, Trump’s plan is already “bipartisan.” Thus, when we find one of his closest advisers throwing this term around during an interview with the Times, one can’t help but wonder what else the Donald will give away in the unlikely event that he wins the presidency. Compounding the queasy feeling induced by that question is the reality that Clovis himself apparently has rather flexible principles. Before he joined the Trump campaign last summer, he was one of the real estate magnate’s most frequent and vociferous critics.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: donaldtrump; lyingtrump; trump; trumphealthcare
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To: Beagle8U
I was not discussing whether Trump is a liberal, I was debating his position on health care which some were agog about given the source of the info against him seems to be individuals who supported most of his points until Trump adopted them too.

Trump is probably socially liberal. He does not ware his liberal side on his sleeve as some do. Meanwhile he promotes the US, was the first one to raise the immigration issues, wants more pro US trade deals to balance out those which are bad, he is not a lawyer, which is a good thing, and he wants to get things done.

So on one side we have a guy who is willing to talk and make win win deals verses one guy who is the equal of standing on a bridge, waiving his arms in the air, and saying I will not budge. I'd be in with the guy on the bridge if he followed that up with it is time for a new system of government but he will not. So being intransigent and adamant on issues is a loser, just like him.

61 posted on 04/12/2016 7:47:11 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws maintain the status quo now.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Killing the mandates needs to be the first predicate; open markets across state lines the next day and see how the market shakes out.


62 posted on 04/12/2016 7:48:25 AM PDT by txhurl (Unity: we can take ALL the marbles now. It's now or never.)
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To: xzins
How about GHW Bush...’no new taxes’?

I guess that'll be his justification when he reneges.

63 posted on 04/12/2016 7:49:37 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Trump 2016: Statism that WORKS for US!!!)
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To: Beagle8U

> There are plenty of jobs for those not to lazy to work.

You speak like a person who hasn’t looked for a job in decades and are totally detached from the Obama economy.

Let me guess... retiree? Pulling a government check to pay your bills?


64 posted on 04/12/2016 7:49:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: xzins

“Donald Trump stood by his past support for single payer health care at the Republican presidential debate Thursday night, and even said he thought it worked well in Canada and could have worked in the past in the United States.

“As far as single payer, it works in Canada, it works incredibly well in Scotland, it could have worked in a different age, which is the age you are talking about here,” Trump stated.

In late 1990s and early 2000s, when he was first flirting with a presidential run as a member of the Reform Party, Trump advocated far to left on health care, even of of many in today’s Democratic Party.

Speaking with Larry King Live in 1999, Trump said he was “quite liberal” when it came to health care.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-praises-single-payer-health-care-at-the-republi#.dj4pvLBOQ


65 posted on 04/12/2016 7:52:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: Kaslin

Yep, looks like Trump will be just one more “reach across the aisle” Republican type. I thought we were furious and done with so-called conservative Republicans like Boehner and McConnell, and apparently Trump, who think the democrats can be reasoned with, and we can come out of any negotiation with them as winners. No, as Rush says, we have to DEFEAT the dems.


66 posted on 04/12/2016 7:52:54 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: Stentor

GOP ISIS Cruz and his nonsensical attempt to take over the party from the NWO.

...”nonsensical”... so you’ve given up the fight and surrendered? At least Cruz is still in the fight.

ymmv


67 posted on 04/12/2016 7:53:16 AM PDT by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...we love CHL in TX)
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To: Boogieman

Which one(s) do you think were contradicted? I listened to it.


68 posted on 04/12/2016 7:53:36 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: Beagle8U

1999???

C’mon Beagle. He’s become a conservative since then.

Two questions:

1. What would you do for healthcare for the truly incapable?

2. Can you send me a link to Cruz’s detailed healthcare plan?


69 posted on 04/12/2016 7:56:01 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: Agnes Heep

That will be everybody’s excuse, Agnes.

I don’t put much stock in any of them.


70 posted on 04/12/2016 7:56:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: thoughtomator

There are plenty of jobs. I can’t even get kids to do yard work for $10 an hour.


71 posted on 04/12/2016 7:59:41 AM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: Kaslin

I’m glad he’s losing the nomination. If he won the liberals would have no opposition.


72 posted on 04/12/2016 8:00:42 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: xzins

Show anything from Trump since before he was running for POTUS that wasn’t liberal on healthcare, or anything else for that matter?

He was a flaming liberal right up to the day he was running!


73 posted on 04/12/2016 8:05:08 AM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: Beagle8U

Funny, last time I put out an ad for a few hours of crappy, unpleasant work at $10/hour I got well over a hundred responses, most from adults, many of whom had children to support.

Either you live in the one place in America which isn’t suffering Great Depression conditions or you’re not looking too hard for help.


74 posted on 04/12/2016 8:08:34 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Beagle8U

What would you do for healthcare for the truly incapable?


75 posted on 04/12/2016 8:17:22 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: thoughtomator

Southern MI, and I can’t kids to do pretty easy work for $10 a hour.

I’ve had three work for about 4 hrs and never come back.

I had one too stupid to do very much, I mean ‘stump stupid’!


76 posted on 04/12/2016 8:23:26 AM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: Boogieman
To the contrary, the single most vital statement -- that whatever works or people think works in other places, single payer won't work here and we need a private system -- was left out. So when Cruz said, "you never stood on this stage and said single works great in Canada and we should have it here?" Trump was being completely honest when he said that's not what he said, because in fact he said the opposite.

It adds to the already established record of Lyin' Ted Cruz.

77 posted on 04/12/2016 8:29:45 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Beagle8U

I know someone who makes the same complaint. He’s totally clueless that people flee from jobs he offers because he is incredibly unpleasant to deal with and blames it on other people not wanting to work.

Not saying the same is true in your case, but your stories are nearly identical.


78 posted on 04/12/2016 8:49:41 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
"No, but it’s certainly something that in certain countries works.
it actually works incredibly well in Scotland. Some people think it really works in Canada.
But not here, I don’t think it would work as well here. What has to happen -- I like the concept of private enterprise coming in ….You have to create competition. And you have to go back to a system of private."

There is a simpler and totally rational practical solution, and it doesn't slavishly stumble into the private system trap. There, the special interest crony criminal element is inescapable. And it must always fail, human nature being inescapable.
And it is defective regardless of whether it's public or private.

Educating ourselves is not that difficult.

Here, for example, is an excellent analysis of the basic conundrum; and its solution.

Welfare must never give birth to millionaire elected criminals.
I think we can all agree on that!

Welfare and Taxes, Where it Works and How

I have read previous versions of this observation, but I have never seen a rational, acceptable real world refutation.

79 posted on 04/12/2016 9:02:09 AM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Lol.. I guess he’s only up to that because it’s hard to be a,liar, when you change positions according to whichever way the nomination blows. Crony capitalist kingpin. Ugh.


80 posted on 04/12/2016 9:05:50 AM PDT by momincombatboots ( The only exemptocrat who can win. Well played democrats. Mr single payer 2016 trump..)
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