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If by the conditions of one’s birth they are NOT a citizen at birth, then they are naturalized and not natural born.


22 posted on 04/12/2016 5:03:51 PM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: taxcontrol

“If by the conditions of one’s birth they are NOT a citizen at birth, then they are naturalized and not natural born.”

No, that garbage was inserted into the U.S. State Department Foreign Affairs Manual to serve as a cover for the efforts to put these ineligible characters into the White House. Members of Congress tried for years to get bills passed that would amend the Constitution for the purpose of removing the natural born citizen clause. When each and everyone of the bills failed to be passed by Congress, they shifted their efforts to just disregarding the natural born citizen clause and pretend they could just redefine naturalized citizens as natural born citizens by playing around with the definition of naturalization and natural born citizenship. Looking back into history before about 1990-2000 you find no one was acquiring U.S. British, or English citizenship as a natural born citizen if they were born abroad without some form of diplomatic immunity. All persons born abroad could acquire citizenship only by birth within the jurisdiction of the sovereign and two citizen parents. Those British subjects who were not also British citizens could acquire status as a British subject only by the authority of a British naturalization act that naturalized them as British subjects.

This whole myth that birth with a citizen parent makes a person a natural born citizen is a fraud and a scam. From 1802 to 1855 and later for some people, a child born abroad with TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS did not qualify for U.S. citizenship of any kind, natural born citizenship or naturalized citizenship, because there was no statutory naturalization law in existence to provide naturalized citizenship.

The judge in this case needs to be impeached.


38 posted on 04/12/2016 5:24:40 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: taxcontrol

People can be American citizens at birth yet still not be ‘natural born citizens.’

The Constitution acknowledges this fact. There were citizens distinct from ‘natural born citizens’ before there ever was such a thing as a ‘naturalized’ citizen.


144 posted on 04/13/2016 7:11:19 AM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents.)
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To: taxcontrol

“If by the conditions of one’s birth they are NOT a citizen at birth, then they are naturalized and not natural born.”

No, the person is born an alien. Some select examples:

A child born abroad with two alien parents is born an alien.

In the absence of a naturalization law authorizing naturalized citizenship at birth for such a child, a child born abroad with two citizen parents is born an alien. Such a child may acquire citizenship only by naturalization after birth.

In the presence of a naturalization law authorizing naturalized citizenship at birth for such a child, a child born abroad with a citizen father is born an alien, who is automatically granted the right to adopt naturalized citizenship at birth provided certain conditions are met.

In the presence of a naturalization law authorizing naturalized citizenship at birth for such a child, a child born abroad with a citizen mother after 1934 is born an alien, who is automatically granted the right to adopt naturalized citizenship at birth provided certain conditions are met.

In the absence of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution a child born within the jurisdiction of the United States Article III courts with two alien parents is born an alien.

In the absence of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution a child born within the jurisdiction of the United States Article III courts with one alien parent and one citizen parent is born an alien.

In the presence of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution a child born within the jurisdiction of the United States Article III courts with two alien parents is born an alien, who is automatically granted the right to adopt naturalized citizenship at birth.

In the presence of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution a child born within the jurisdiction of the United States Article III courts with one alien father and one former citizen mother who expatriated upon marriage to become an alien mother before 1934 is born an alien, who is automatically granted the right to adopt naturalized citizenship at birth.

In the presence of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution a child born within the jurisdiction of the United States Article III courts with one alien father and one citizen mother from 1934 is born an alien, who is automatically granted the right to adopt naturalized citizenship at birth.

At anytime in English, British, and American history a child born with a citizen father and citizen mother not attainted with Treason within the jurisdiction of the domestic courts of law is a natural born citizen.

Etc.


168 posted on 04/13/2016 8:15:23 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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