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Here’s Why Trump’s ‘Everything Is Rigged’ Talk Is So Alarming
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 4/13/2016 | Staff

Posted on 04/14/2016 5:16:48 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

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To: Buckeye McFrog
It is rigged. On both sides of the aisle.

If you’re part of the ruling class that must be alarming, as the spectre of pitchforks and hot lead surely cannot be far behind.

Once people truly realize that they have no input into the game, it's over. The Zombie Apocalypse won't be far behind.

Every 4 years you start hearing conspiracy-minded folk talking about the current pResident cancelling elections so as to stay in office. It comes from both sides. When Bush was in power, it was driven my leftists, when Clinton, and now Barak, it's being pushed by some on the 'right'. Regardless of what side is making the claim, it's a fantasy, because the ruling class know that once their fig-leaf elections are gone, their rather tenuous claims of legitimacy evaporate in a puff of logic.

This is the last thing they want, because open season starts, with many Unintended Consequences.

Note: I love a good conspiracy theory probably more than the next guy, but this one isn't in the cards until the establishment thinks it's time to go all in.

61 posted on 04/14/2016 7:29:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Vote Cruz!)
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To: DugwayDuke

You are the bright one Duke. Think of everything.


62 posted on 04/14/2016 7:36:09 AM PDT by zek157
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To: IBD editorial writer
Here’s the thing that even this article misses.

What many people seem not to understand is that until the late 19th and early 20th century the major parties’ nominees were not elected by any form popular vote, neither by a primary election, or by binding delegates via a preference poll. The United States Constitution has never specified the process for selecting the party’s nominees and the political parties have developed their own procedures over time, under their state’s organization, hence the reason that states hold only primary elections, some hold only caucuses, and others use a combination of both including as CO has for many years a combination of a non-binding preference poll but with the caucuses actually voting for the delegates. This is also why some states are “winner take all” and other are proportional in awarding delegates.

It was the “progressives” of the time that wanted to make the process more “democratic”. This was also the time frame in which the 17th Amendment was passed – the Constitution as originally written stated that senators would be elected by state legislatures and not by the direct election via a popular vote. And the POTUS is not and was never intended by the framers, especially the Federalists to be elected by plurality of the popular vote – see Electoral College.

Donald J. Trump - "We're supposed to be a Democracy!"

No Don. We are not supposed to be a Democracy. We are a Republic.

A Republic, Not A Democracy

“A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A Republic, if you can keep it.””

“Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. – James Madison”

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.” - Often mistakenly attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville but a great quote and insight none the less.

The caucus system was adopted by Colorado voters in 1912 as part of a package of progressive reforms. It was seen as a way to limit the power of party bosses and to attract more grassroots involvement. The caucus system was abolished in favor of presidential primaries in 1992, but restored in 2002 with the defeat of Amendment 29 and cost considerations, the fully restored Colorado Caucus was in 2004. So in other words, the citizens of CO voted by a margin of 60.14% for the system currently in place.

https://ballotpedia.org/Colorado_Candidate_Selection,_Initiative_29_(2002)

63 posted on 04/14/2016 8:00:36 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: zek157

“You are the bright one Duke. Think of everything.”

NO one else seems to want to do the heavy thinking.


64 posted on 04/14/2016 9:03:18 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: oldschoolwargamer

Actually, if the Federal government limited itself to playing within its Constitutional scoped out sandbox, we would not be in shambles and 20 Trillion in debt.

Trump is the only outsider with the skills and experience to drag DC, kicking and screaming, back to its Constitutionally limited role!!


65 posted on 04/14/2016 9:21:30 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: TontoKowalski

Sounds like a plan.


66 posted on 04/14/2016 10:08:53 AM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

After reading this example today I have no doubt that both parties rig their procedures against those that they don’t like.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/butler-shaffer/butler-shaffer-darkest-gopland/


67 posted on 04/14/2016 10:12:18 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: MD Expat in PA
If anyone doubts Trump is winning this argument, he only has to read your post.

People don't care how nominees were selected in 1900.

Defenders of the Colorado GOP have been maneuvered into defending the party elite at the expense of the everyday citizen.

Even as we speak, a Colorado Cruz supporter is on Rush Limbaugh saying that Colorado has it right because voters are too stupid to make a rational choice.

The delegate math may not change (although I wouldn't be surprised if it did), but Trump is winning this argument.

The narrative is being set. Cruz is on the side of the elite. Trump is the champion of the people.

68 posted on 04/14/2016 10:30:53 AM PDT by TontoKowalski (")
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To: TontoKowalski
People don't care how nominees were selected in 1900.

You are quite right. They don’t care. They don’t care about US History. They don’t care about learning civics. They don’t care about the Constitution. They don’t care about what Representative government means.

I just responded on another thread where two posters were proposing getting rid of delegates and conventions altogether, replacing it with (I suppose) a winner take all national (Federal) primary, with the other poster proposing getting rid of the Electoral College because it’s “unfair”.

Trump is the champion of the people.

Trump is a champion of Trump.

69 posted on 04/14/2016 11:17:52 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA
I won't debate you on the second issue, but I will say that the way this is being spun is that Trump is for people, and people are for Trump.

Meanwhile, the establishment elites are for Cruz.

Your candidate cannot win with those perceptions.

Trump has been supportive of this protest tomorrow afternoon. Who knows if that will get legs or not.

If dozens are protesting outside the GOP office in Denver tomorrow, it's probably not a big deal. If that number is in the thousands? It's a big problem for your side.

70 posted on 04/14/2016 11:31:17 AM PDT by TontoKowalski (")
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To: IBD editorial writer

Stock Market=rigged (Or at least manipulated).
Gold Market = rigged.
Oil Market = rigged.
Real estate = rigged.
Politics = rigged-not a stretch.


71 posted on 04/14/2016 11:38:04 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: MD Expat in PA

And used to be if you wanted to watch a show on TV, you had a limited selection of alphabet networks for options, and had to watch what they showed, when they put it on the air. Now, not so much. The model’s broken.


72 posted on 04/14/2016 10:58:26 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Steven Tyler

If he and his crack team of advisers can’t even navigate the nomination process, how do you expect them to understand enough about the legislative and budgeting processes to bring about the change you seek?

Standing at a podium, waving his arms, and speaking in semi-incoherent sentences is not enough.


73 posted on 04/15/2016 4:15:47 AM PDT by oldschoolwargamer
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To: baltimorepoet

>But later came lesser men who thought they were wiser and proved themselves fools and jackasses.

The elected? Or the electorate that elects the former?


74 posted on 04/15/2016 9:12:15 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: i_robot73
>But later came lesser men who thought they were wiser and proved themselves fools and jackasses. The elected? Or the electorate that elects the former?

To an extent, both. But mostly the former. The former has created a system that is hard to alter. Its like what Mark Twain said "Do you think they would let you vote if your vote actually counted?"
75 posted on 04/15/2016 9:44:45 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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