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Heroism at the Bay of Pigs--a 55th Anniversary Tribute
Townhall.com ^ | April 15, 2016 | Humberto Fontova

Posted on 04/15/2016 10:22:37 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

pfl. I was there.


21 posted on 04/15/2016 12:08:39 PM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: 2001convSVT
Back when the Navy had fighting Admirals like Arleigh Burke of the Joints Chief of Staff who confronted Kennedy.
22 posted on 04/15/2016 12:09:50 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: detective; Travis McGee; Squantos; archy
FWIW...In 1967, two Cuban exiles I worked with were convinced that the entire operation was compromised in the planning stages by US and Cuban agents within the exile community. In their opinion the landing site was just about the worst possible choice. The terrain map below shows a kill sack. The other point made was that Castro's forces seemed to have been in place and in force on d-day.


23 posted on 04/15/2016 12:33:06 PM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: detective

“The self-described Best and Brightest of the Kennedy and Johnson administration failed at everything they did.”

I would say that their performance was worse than mere failure.

They couldn’t have done worse if Khrushchev had been calling the shots—which, you know, he was.


24 posted on 04/15/2016 12:41:37 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“Oswald shot JFK, he acted alone, and any crazy conspiracy theory is just horsesh*t.”

Go back to sleep. A cursory look shows that it was a CIA coup. Compare it to every other assassination attempt on a President. We know everything about them, all are very clear. But in JFK world its a murky world of coverups, lies, coincidences, and nothing fitting. It was an extremist coup, designed to replace the government and hopefully provide a reason to attack Cuba.

Launching coups was a CIA specialty throughout the 1950s -70s. And JFK was a bitter enemy of that. They killed him and installed a government that would allow them to continue. Hell, its obvious to a 5 year old that this one murder has a huge official zone of secrecy around it. Why? It benefitted his opponents drastically. It was investigated by these same opponents. Why?
Nobody sealed the Lincoln assassination records till 1915, did they? Because there was no need.

As final proof Harry Truman said the same thing.
This is his personal OpEd FOUR weeks after JFK was murdered. A president was murdered and the nation was in shock. And Harry Truman rushes to immediately publish an opinion piece that he is sorry he created the CIA, and that it is out of hand, it has become an instrument of policy making and subterfuge instead of a raw data clearinghouse.
He says they have become distasteful and need to be brought under control.
Unless one is in the nutty “Truman was a communist” camp, it’s pretty obvious he believed our covert forces were behind it.

Think what you want. (using the term “think” loosely.)

http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman’s%20CIA%20article.html


25 posted on 04/15/2016 1:11:32 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Kaslin

Bautista was another fascist tin pot dictator that we habitually kept in power to loot raw materials from 3rd world countries at the behest of the banker oligarchs and their CIA warlords. This policy of raw material extraction has ended up making us the enemy of developing countries and their only vehicle of redress, the UN. You Cold War conservatives think that Marxism was conjured up by an evil wizard hypnotist rather than a reaction to 19th century oligarch abuses of working stiffs such as yourselves. These sadistic ABUSES of working conditions CREATED Marxism. Google “Triangle Shirt Factory Fire” to discover why the Marxist International Ladies Garment Workers Union was formed, for example. There is capitalism and there is MONOPOLISM. You fascist plantation overseer war lord conservatives will never understand the concept of workers as a valued component of production rather than as wage slaves to be hoodwinked, exploited and thrown away.

From Wikipedia:

Back in power, Batista suspended the 1940 Constitution and revoked most political liberties, including the right to strike. He then aligned with the wealthiest landowners who owned the largest sugar plantations, and presided over a stagnating economy that widened the gap between rich and poor Cubans.[5] Batista’s increasingly corrupt and repressive government then began to systematically profit from the exploitation of Cuba’s commercial interests, by negotiating lucrative relationships with the American mafia, who controlled the drug, gambling, and prostitution businesses in Havana, and with large US-based multinationals who were awarded lucrative contracts.[5][6] To quell the growing discontent amongst the populace—which was subsequently displayed through frequent student riots and demonstrations—Batista established tighter censorship of the media, while also utilizing his Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities to carry out wide-scale violence, torture and public executions; ultimately killing anywhere from 1,000 to 20,000 people.[7][8][9] For several years until 1959, the Batista government received financial, military, and logistical support from the United States.[10]


26 posted on 04/15/2016 1:15:15 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (Smarter - Faster)
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To: Covenantor

I agree that it was both compromised AND a poor plan. There is little doubt Castro knew it was coming. And the site and the plan were idiotic.

But the true goal was to simply get people on the beach, and have them in a desperate situation they could then use to strong arm JFK away from his clear position that it was not going to be a US military invasion of Cuba.
They didn’t count on JFK standing up to their pressure.

But the plan all along was exiles on the beach. Backs to the wall, rescued by a US invasion, which was their plan all along.

1500 exiles, and a handful of B-26s. Yeah, that was clearly a plan to successfully invade Cuba. It was obvious that it was just designed to fail and demand rescue.


27 posted on 04/15/2016 1:18:38 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Hooboy... I thought I was a bomb thrower. You are in big trouble now.


28 posted on 04/15/2016 1:22:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: elpadre
So, Kennedy deserted the Cuban freedom fighters he had sent to Cuba, just like Mrs. Clinton deserted the Americans in Benghazi! A blotch on American history in both cases.

Many other Democrat Presidents have abandoned allies - we need a strong commander in chief.

29 posted on 04/15/2016 1:28:14 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: DesertRhino

“Hooboy... I thought I was a bomb thrower. You are in big trouble now.”

Heh, Yah, LOL! But Republicans used to be fair minded Christian fair play types that were against the slave owning caste stratification abuses of the aristocracy. Republicans were for meritocracy, equality of opportunity offered to anyone capable of working for it. How republicanism got hijacked by its enemies is a story of infiltration and co-option, particularly after Teddy Roosevelt. Today’s Republican Party USA, in bed with Wall St. and the City of London globalist financier elites, would be unrecognizable to the party of Lincoln. Our Cold War foreign policy would be indistinguishable from a Czarist or Assyrian or Idi Amin foreign policy. Slavery, even wage slavery, is unChristian and will be wiped from the Earth.


30 posted on 04/15/2016 1:32:53 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (Smarter - Faster)
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To: DesertRhino
I have read extensively on this subject, viewed videos and TV reports (The Men Who Killed Kennedy, etc), and visited Dealey Plaza. It is the most studied murder in history. The Dallas Police had it solved within hours. Only later when KGB sponsored provocateurs like Mark Lane had their say did the public start to doubt the truth.

An avowed communist named Lee Harvey Oswald did it. Without any help. There is not one shred of physical evidence of another shooter.

31 posted on 04/15/2016 3:19:26 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Covenantor

Agree ..... I was just a pup then but seems same folks that had JFK shot were the ones that figured out who it was that threw them under the bus at Bahia de Cochinos ..... oink oink !


32 posted on 04/15/2016 4:03:18 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

What about the ballists report on the entry hole in me Kennedy’s skull? Smaller than the caliber used by Oswald, closely matching a .5.56 round.


33 posted on 04/15/2016 5:40:45 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Kaslin

In April 1962, I was on my way to a place called Vietnam, delivering troops and helicopters. Of course, we were never there. We were too busy to pay attention to what was going on in Cuba.

A year after The Bay of Pigs, I was stationed at MCAS Beaufort, SC during the Missile Crisis. I came back from a weekend pass to find the base fully lit up at 3 AM on Monday morning. Guard at the gate told us to change into utilities and report to your squadron. We didn’t get to sleep until Tuesday at 2100. It was a non-stop parade of trucks, transports, fighters and equipment.

At University of Florida, I got to know several Cubans who got away. One was with the troops at The Bay of Pigs. He spent 6 months in a Castro prison until he escaped. No kind words for the Kennedys.

Come to think of it, Kennedy put me in harm’s way twice.


34 posted on 04/15/2016 6:46:50 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“I’ve never understood why JFK allowed this operation to go forward if he was just going to let it founder like this.”

Because he cut the JCS, the military, out of the loop. They weren’t informed of changes that he made in the original plan and he didn’t ask their opinion.


35 posted on 04/15/2016 6:52:26 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: DesertRhino

“They tried to strong arm him. He did exactly what he told them he would do and didn’t let the CIA and the Joint Chief morons start the war they wanted.”

What a load of nonsense. Pick up a copy of McMaster’s Dereliction of Duty and clear your head.


36 posted on 04/15/2016 6:56:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: PhiloBedo

Why did Oswald murder Police Officer JD Tippit on a Dallas street in full view of 12 witnesses 45 minutes after Kennedy was shot? Please tell us what you think his motive was.


37 posted on 04/15/2016 7:01:39 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Pelham

You can’t argue with these types. They just can’t face the fact that the Commie did it.


38 posted on 04/15/2016 7:04:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I know. But sometimes it’s entertaining to see how they try to explain away Oswald’s murder of Officer Tippit. He did that killing right in front of a dozen people. A lot of people have no idea that it even happened.


39 posted on 04/15/2016 7:15:07 PM PDT by Pelham (Trump/Tsoukalos 2016 - vote the great hair ticket)
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To: Pelham

Because he was part of the plot, the patsy. He shot Kennedy and Connely but the head shot was insurance.


40 posted on 04/15/2016 7:17:48 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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