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1 posted on 05/11/2016 7:41:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Russia attacked Poland twice in the 20th century.

Once by itself and was defeated.

Again while still in league with Germany and won.


2 posted on 05/11/2016 7:43:21 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind; MeganC; SevenofNine
Why Russia will Never Attack Poland

Whoa, Hold on now.

Attack Poland is what Russia does.

Partitioning Polish land is Prussian, Russian and Austrian National Past-Times.

3 posted on 05/11/2016 7:43:36 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Never Killary!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They both have a vested interest in their hatred of radical Islam. You never attack somebody who can be your ally.


4 posted on 05/11/2016 7:43:57 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: SeekAndFind
I hope the author is right, but it sounds like wishful thinking. Russia invaded Poland in September 1939 and stayed for 50 years. It was only a combination of solid local leadership (Lech Walesa & Solidarity) + papal leadership (Pope John Paul II) + American leadership (Ronald Reagan) which finally got them out.

Only one of those ingredients is present now.

5 posted on 05/11/2016 7:51:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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Language warning. I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCy68CWDKVE


6 posted on 05/11/2016 7:53:45 AM PDT by angryoldfatman
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To: SeekAndFind

Plus, Poland’s population would basically all take up arms. Russia would probably only be able to send 20 million, or so, whereas Poland would man a 40 million population army. Russia would have to eliminate everybody to win.


7 posted on 05/11/2016 7:57:53 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

God bless you - and may God bless Poland!


8 posted on 05/11/2016 8:02:18 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: SeekAndFind

Poland + Ukraine cut Europe in two. They could cut off the flow Russian oil to west Europe, and the flow of Euros eastward. Russia will not threaten Poland until it has subdued or even reconquored Ukraine.


9 posted on 05/11/2016 8:03:53 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: SeekAndFind

This article was originally dated August 1, 1939.


10 posted on 05/11/2016 8:13:16 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: SeekAndFind
"Why Russia will Never Attack Poland"

This article sure has a lot of words when all it needs to say is: "Poland is a member of NATO, and can thus cry to the U.S. for support."

11 posted on 05/11/2016 8:13:24 AM PDT by Trump20162020
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Reminds me of a story I read a while ago, supposedly from a highly placed former KGB official stationed in Warsaw.

He claimed the KGB was considering assassinating John Paul II on a visit to Poland.

The official told them, "You will have to kill all of them if you do this."

The official in Moscow replied, "You mean the entire Papal entourage?"

The one in Warsaw replied, "No, the entire population of Poland-- they will tear all of us limb from limb if you do this."

12 posted on 05/11/2016 8:13:45 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: SeekAndFind; BenLurkin; KC_Lion; DarthVader; Vigilanteman; Jonty30; Redmen4ever; glorgau
Impossible, and for myriad reasons. Reasons that range from those listed by the author of the article, to more logical (in my opinion) reasons that have to do with the absolute inability of Russia to attack Poland (short of nuclear weapons, and that would lead to consequences for Russia that are extinction level), to even more real reasons for Russia not attacking Poland (the realest of which being that it would be against Russia's best interest to do so). While Russia is seen as a bogey man, and to be honest it fits the requirements very well (and Cold Warriors, on both sides, seem to like the narrative and thus sustain it), the truth is that Russia is nowhere as powerful as it would want to be seen as (or as some of our side would like it to be seen, for their own reasons that I will not bother getting into apart from saying that for some it is about getting investment Dollars for equipment, for others it is the need to have a defined 'enemy,' while for yet others it is some weird Russophilia. I always find it hilarious that Russophiliacs and Russophobes are actually VERY similar).

Anyway, the truth of the matter is that Russia is not as strong as some would make it. Yes, it does have very capable nuclear forces. Yes, it also has a capable conventional force that is getting more capable by the year, even though there are some that think it is all about conscripts and 'rusty ships' even though Yeltsin has been out of power for 17 years. However, like virtually all 'major-power' countries with the exception of the US (and even that is debatable, but I don't want to go there), Russian military mighty is best applicable only against countries that are weaker than it. For example, the cruise missiles that it used against Syrian targets (and that was an eye-opener there how small ships based in what amounts to an inland lake, were able to launch missiles a far distance away) would not be effective against a larger country like the US for example. The SU 24s and 34s that were doing a good job against ground targets would have a (much) harder time against NATO. Etc etc etc (by the way, the reason I am saying that applies to all nations, including maybe the US, is that the Tomahawk inventory got depleted simply launching against Libya ...which probably means there would be issues against China and/or Russia, but as I said that is a different conversation ...and a sensitive one that may unnecessarily rile up some people).

Poland is a member of NATO, and the Poles are a proud people. Even IF Russia could take over Poland conventionally (not possible, but assume it is), it would simply lead to an absolute quagmire. As mentioned, the Poles are a proud and good people, and they are also very good at fighting for their homeland. They are also very capable (Google 'GROM' to see what their tier-1 special forces unit is capable of, and this is a unit that has the respect of Delta and DEVGRU ...which says something). Russia would face absolute HELL attacking Poland. Absolute hell, in a way that even countries like Ukraine could not even dream of. The advantages Russia had in Georgia and in the parts of Ukraine they took over would be absolutely absent in Poland, and it would simply be a strategic and tactical mistake by the Russians.

Bottom line ...Russia would not attack Poland, and not just because they could/couldn't, but rather because it would be absolutely stupid. Somewhat akin to someone posting articles on why the US cannot attack Russia/China, and I am certain both those countries have such articles as they are great clickbait.

But realistically speaking, moving away from theoretical war-gaming, one will not see any of the following things as long as all actors are rational.

(I) A major power attacking another major power (e.g. China will never attack Russia, Russia will never attack the US, the US will never attack China, etc etc etc).

(II) A regional-power near-peer adversary attacking another regional-power near-peer adversary (e.g. India attacking Pakistan, Israel attacking Iran, North Korea attacking South Korea). Now, this is obviously more (apparently, but not realistically) open to debate as smart FReepers will obviously bring up the various India-Pakistan wars, the shelling of South Korean positions (and even the sinking of a ship) by Pyongyang, or the war drums between Israel and Iran. Even smarter FReepers may even ask what the heck I think Russia's attack of Ukraine was?

Well, the truth is that the wars between India and Pakistan (then) were not between near-peers. For one, India was more powerful until Pakistan got nuclear weapons, second there was a bit of a Cold War footing (with the Soviets supporting India and the US, and then China, supporting Pakistan), and the more recent Kargill 'war' was more of a skirmish.

Israel and Iran - well, even on FR people have been saying Israel will bomb Iran 'imminently' for over a decade now. It is actually one of those things I track (and at times laugh at ...the always changing 'timelines' of when Israel will bomb Iran. Currently the ruling thought it when Israel gets its F-35s and 'upgrades' them).

Seoul vs Pyongyang - skirmish territory only. Why? The North cannot over-provoke the South because it is significantly weaker than South Korea, and should it ever do a real full-blown attack North Korea would be defeated. The South will not over-react to Northern aggression (even when it involves sinking of one ship or shelling of a coastal village) because if it does, and even though the South would win, it would come at the cost of Seoul (and not because of nuclear weapons but simply because North Korea has around 10,000 artillery pieces trained on Seoul that would destroy it in a sea of fire). Thus, like two drunk men holding each other by the balls and shouting insults at one another, nothing more than that will occur.

Russia and Ukraine? Not near-peer at all, even though some make it seem like they are, and the area that Russia moved into had certain demographic advantages for the Russians.

Anyway, no major power wars (including skirmishes, which is why the US slapped Turkey for shooting down that 24) and no regional power wars (although skirmishes may happen).

13 posted on 05/11/2016 8:17:17 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: SeekAndFind

history argues the author of this is a fool... luckily Poland knows its own history and they are not fools

to be honest in reading the whole article the author strikes me as a Russian apologist...


15 posted on 05/11/2016 8:20:07 AM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: SeekAndFind
The author missed one more reason why Russia will never attack Poland: There is no reason to do so.

As noted by another poster here, Russia (USSR actually) attacked Poland twice in the 20th century.

The first time was in 1919. Lenin saw Poland as a bridge for exporting communism to western Europe. The second time was in 1939. Stalin saw Poland as a buffer against the expanding Third Reich.

I can see no reason for Putin to want Poland today. Why would he risk so much just to add a restless region to the map of Russia?

16 posted on 05/11/2016 8:26:23 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Never” is a mighty long time.


19 posted on 05/11/2016 8:40:24 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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“Six years ago, an airplane carrying most of the Polish government crashed while flying to Smolyensk to participate in a commemoration of the Russian deeds at Katyn. Imagine that — the Russians were set to admit, and apologize and atone for their acts, and then the tragedy occurred. It was the last thing they wanted to happen!”

The author is delusional. Russian air traffic control was till advising the plane that it was on course even when it was beyond the point of no return. And if the Russians wanted to atone for Katyn, why then did they never return the bodies or allow access to the wreckage?


21 posted on 05/11/2016 8:42:19 AM PDT by cassiusking
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To: SeekAndFind

I still believe that large army invasions are quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Poland would have significant warning of any large movement of Russian Armies. All of the major columns of equipment would be under attack in minutes after crossing the border. The shit storm of cruise missiles would destroy their armies quickly.

Insurgency is the way to go these days.


47 posted on 05/11/2016 11:54:16 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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