I am not a fan of regulations, but government is supposed to assure an even, informed playing field for business and consumers to work within. There should not be favorites, and both customers and consumers should be able to sue from being defrauded.
Ping.
I’m sure they didn’t intend to do anything wrong. No reasonable prosecutor would pursue this...
VW has cancelled production of diesel engines for North America.
Julian Assange, please pick up the white courtesy phone...
VW is paying for it. I’ll get to choose between about $7,000 paid to me to fix mine or a cash payout about $1,000 shy of what I paid for the car to sell it back to them. Cheapest car I ever owned. Not sure about all the buy back details. What I’ve heard is you turn the car into a 3rd party representative, but don’t get payment immediately. I’m sure VW dealers will have a handy way to apply $$ to a new VW. I’m car shopping right now, but hard to find features/benefits (and especially mpg) in the price range.
If they pull diesel’s out of US, not sure I want to lose 10-15 mpg for another Passat.
VW told me BMW diesels have the same issue but it’s not a big publicity problem. Anyone know anything about BMW or other good diesels?
The assumption here being no one else is doing this same cheat. Kinda like Lance Armstrong. The playing field leveled by cheating just like every one else. But hey I passed the test!
This is so gay. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with these cars except for nutty US laws.
Pretty simple answer: either test properly, or get rid of the regulation. The university that found the “cheating” tested properly under real world conditions. The official government testers did not. For that they need to be fired.
Cheating is a serious violation and they deserve to be fined. However, as it turns out, there are other car companies which also cheated to pass emission standard. Such widespread violation make me wonder if regulators set up a standard too high for current technology to meet.
It sounds an awful lot like CONGRESS the way they operate.
Pass a piece of legislation, load it up with pork and wild eyed spending on useless crap, then tell the American People you passed the Affordable Care Act and you can keep your doctor while saving thousands in premiums.
Could I pay extra to have the high performance when I start the engine?
Not even close to the govenments job. No more than their job of educating (indoctrinating) children, ensuring jobs, providi g healthcare, or controlling the economy (the keynsian lie).
Vw cheated against a silly requirement. There isn’t a gearhead dubber that didn’t feel a bump in performance at the 22 min mark. A tuner or hard driver would surely know this timeframe and ensure the car was warm ahead of time.
Not directed at the poster, just .02
KYPD
Having a hard time appreciating the violations...
Other models using the 3.0 liter diesel engine, too. Audi A6 for example.
We purchased a VW Certified Pre-owned car, just 11 days before the cheating scandal was announced. Our motivation was low cost for high mileage. We were informed by massive VW Audi advertising for several years, that their diesels were “clean.”
Living in the once smog-filled greater Lost Angeles smog basin, we take clean air somewhat seriously, albeit not to the point of eco-extremism.
The upshot for us is: 1. We were deceived, and 2. We are stuck in limbo with a vehicle that will likely not be “repaired.”
Until such time as we can no longer operate it, we are going to drive the snot out of it, and enjoy 45 mpg highway.
Supposedly they will give us some cash, take the vehicle and scrap it. Too bad. It runs strong.
In terms of technology, Mercedes and BMW use Urea, while VW-Audi did not use Urea, so I am told. Varies from engine to engine.
I am convinced VW Group knowing made a calculated bet they would get away with this, and lost.
I have no doubt that management all the way to the very top knew full well what was going on. German car companies are technology driven.
This thread prompted me to look over the paperwork from VW, about my situation. In Sept. I purchased a 2013 Beetle TDI, loaded, with about 15,000 miles, as a Certified Pre-owned car. That meant the remainder of the original warranty, then more miles/years.
My options (the car now has over 29000 miles):
1. Keep it, let them repair the emissions shortcomings, and they will give me $6,700 for the grief the situation presents. I will still have to repay my loan balance, however.
2. Simply turn the car in, loan taken care of by VW. They give me $11,800.
They have already given me $1,000 of credit cards, extended the service period, etc.
We like the car, but my guess is that my wife will opt to unwind it, and start fresh with a different vehicle. The published mileage figures for the car are 30 city, 40 highway. Or driving is a mix, weighted to city.
Repairing the emission shortcomings will likely reduce the mileage and stifle the performance.
Even with the walk-away option, we might buy a repaired TDI in a different body style. Say Jetta/Golf wagon for example.
They have still not stated with certainty they will be able to repair them, to satisfy Calif/other standards.
The USA watch dogs are agents of the United Auto Workers extracting revenge for the non union VW plant in Chattanooga Tennessee
The President is an evil tyrant using the government to destroy his personal enemies. History will wonder how he managed to survive his 8 years in office
LOL they cheated the emissions tests. That is some real cheatware :D
https://cheatware.net/
But companies will be companies and hack the game wherever they can.