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Someone is Probing to Take Down the Internet, Warns Cryptographer
Hacked.Com ^ | 14 Sep 2016 | Samburaj Das

Posted on 09/14/2016 9:55:02 AM PDT by amorphous

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To: Steely Tom

Taking down the internet can mean two things:

(1) Literally shutting down the internet itself which sends and receives messages between IP addresses (dd.dd.dd.dd). The internet is spread over thousands of routers and there are numerous paths for getting from point a to point b, and the routers are capable of automatically detecting failed links and rerouting to operative ones. It would be practically impossible to shut this thing down.

(2) Shut down the directories (called Name Servers or DNS) that convert such things as yahoo.com to its IP address. There are also lots of Name Servers but it would be easier to cripple this system. The DNS system is a user of the internet, not the internet itself (depending on your own definition of “internet”. It would be easier to cripple the DNS system.

Maybe we should be saving a few IP addresses so we could get to our favorite places even if the DNS system went down. Actually this wouldn’t work will for the complex websites because they call upon the DNS system to fetch supplemental pages that make up what you see.

I’m done for now.


41 posted on 09/14/2016 11:03:31 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: TBP

Yup, Obama.


42 posted on 09/14/2016 11:07:17 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: RegulatorCountry
Re>I wonder what percentage of US economic activity is internet dependent now?

I own a Manufacturer's rep firm. We deal in higher technology for industries. I would say 90% of my business is now through emails.

43 posted on 09/14/2016 11:12:06 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: TMSuchman

Maybe we should start stockpiling tin cans and string.
And pigeons.


44 posted on 09/14/2016 11:14:58 AM PDT by mumblypeg (Forget Burning Man. Go to Man Hung On A Cross. (h/t to: HighTech Redneck))
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To: VanShuyten

I stopped watching once they had the graphic gay sex scenes...are they still pushing that agenda?


45 posted on 09/14/2016 11:16:32 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: IC Ken

So, handing over control of the internet is far more than just a potential censorship issue, it’s handing over control of a large portion of the US economy. Is that a fair statement?


46 posted on 09/14/2016 11:17:18 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: amorphous
...life as we know it goes right along with it.

Well...life as we knew it before, say, 1988 (when I first started hearing about it) was really kind of OK.

Is it that entrenched, that losing it would cause so much havoc?

For me it's at best a convenience, at worst one more time-wasting piece of entertainment. I'd probably be better off without it, though I won't give it up willingly.

47 posted on 09/14/2016 11:19:36 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest.)
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To: knarf
I am SO ignorant of how computers, electrons and cyber whatever works, I am absolutely helpless and useless in the fight. Frustrating.

Don't beat yourself up. Even among those of us who are skilled with computers, no one can know it all. No one can know TWO PERCENT of it all. These are teams of hundreds of experts, all expert in their small area.

48 posted on 09/14/2016 11:19:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (MSM ignoring Hillary's health until forced, shows us they are the MPM: Ministry of Propaganda Media)
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To: RegulatorCountry

So, handing over control of the internet is far more than just a potential censorship issue, it’s handing over control of a large portion of the US economy. Is that a fair statement?


I suspect it is...
Just what the globalists want!


49 posted on 09/14/2016 11:32:34 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (This election is about National Sovereignty, Liberty, and Freedom for future generations)
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To: zeugma

So ... you’re saying this could really be a crisis?


50 posted on 09/14/2016 11:32:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: ExGeeEye

For me it is a way of gathering not only useful information, but in this AGE OF DECEPTION, TRUTHFUL INFORMATION...

For example, if we did not have the internet,we would not even know that NPR, ABC, NBC, CBS altered Bill’s interview about Hillary fainting spells, etc. We would not even know that Hillary is even sick!


51 posted on 09/14/2016 11:35:41 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 (This election is about National Sovereignty, Liberty, and Freedom for future generations)
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To: knarf
I am SO ignorant of how computers, electrons and cyber whatever works, I am absolutely helpless and useless in the fight.

In some ways, that might be good. If computers everywhere go down, do you know how to do things manually?

If not, learning how might help alleviate your frustration.
52 posted on 09/14/2016 11:43:17 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: knittnmom

Hard to say. But I did do some research, and it happens a lot whenever one streaming service is working through another streaming service. In our case, we were using Netflix through Amazon. Basically doubling the choke points.


53 posted on 09/14/2016 11:46:28 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: polymuser
Heck, 5 minutes of silence drives them nuts.

That part's not limited to one generation, I'm afraid. Most people can't cope with silence. I found that out when I was mute for 3 years.
54 posted on 09/14/2016 11:48:41 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: amorphous

Good thing Russia, China and NK are taking the internet over next month.


55 posted on 09/14/2016 11:55:51 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Hillary is Satan's spiritual advisor.)
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To: amorphous

I think if Trump becomes President, he should push for worldwide adoption of IPv6 to replace IPv4. IPv6 not only tremendously expands Internet capacity, but potentially could reduce the vulnerability of a attack that could take down the entire Internet.


56 posted on 09/14/2016 12:01:52 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: amorphous

Just like the virus creators then sell anti-virus software, those who bring the net down will collect their ransom.


57 posted on 09/14/2016 12:02:06 PM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
re>So, handing over control of the internet is far more than just a potential censorship issue, it’s handing over control of a large portion of the US economy. Is that a fair statement?

More than fair. Not only do I communicate with engineers, buyers, and technicians but I receive my orders, factory shipments, and a lot of times payment all via the internet. Have you noticed banks tellers are cut down as people and business is using the internet instead?

58 posted on 09/14/2016 12:30:22 PM PDT by IC Ken
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To: ClearCase_guy
Depends upon how long it lasts. Personally, I doubt they'd be able to kill much of anything over the long term, but you might well see 24-48 hours with big hunks of infrastructure that's effectively out of play. Hell, you can do really wanky things to the network just by goofing with routing tables. Killing domain-level root DNS servers, or even the global root servers could cause things to be flaky as well, but I think we'd recover from that fairly quickly.

More dangerous would be attacks on physical infrastructure like the fiber lines going into MAE-East and MAE-West. A backhoe, and a judiciously planted quarter-pound of C-4 could really hose things up. Primarily because so much traffic is routed through a limited number of points (at the demand of our feral government to aid their surveillance state). If someone just cuts a bunch of fiber, it can take hours to fix. If you make an attempt to destroy the cable with explosives or whatnot, you could be looking at a bit more time to recover. Fortunately, much infrastructure can be routed around, but by design, some of it is more difficult to deal with.

Even in that case though, I don't see the damage not being fixed after a week. However, even if we recover in a relatively quick time frame, you have to keep in mind that with just-in-time inventory management, some cities would be virtually out of food in less than a week. That's not a good thing when you have large portions of our largest cities that are effectively barely civilized.

There are other ways to attack infrastructure as well, that many people don't think about. A dedicated adversary could screw things up really badly. Let's say you hit big internet infrastructure both physically and logically. This generates a bit of chaos, to further feed that chaos, they might also hit a bunch of the really large transformers across the country. Most people don't know that in many cases, those transformers are custom jobs largely imported from asia (japan). In some cases, there really isn't a hot spare available, especially if someone takes a site out in a determined manner. Dropping a bunch of legs of the grid like that will likely cause most of the rest of the grid to fail as well. How long to replace 50 large multi-million dollar custom built transformers? Months? Years?

Our civilization skates along on a thinner edge than most people are comfortable with thinking about.

59 posted on 09/14/2016 12:50:35 PM PDT by zeugma (Welcome to the "interesting times" you were warned about.)
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To: fuzzylogic

White Rose, the transvestite leader of the Dark Army, turned out to be head of the Chicom cyber-security department. The head FBI cyber-security agent is at least bisexual, if not just an insomniac lesbo. Everyone is waiting for Elliot to release Phase II, but he is getting even more and more schizo, so it’s not clear that even he knows what’s going on.

Does that help any? I thought it would.

They’ve gone from about 3.2 million viewers to about 650,000, so there’s a good chance this will be the last season even if Elliot manages to get his stuff together enough to set off Phase II.


60 posted on 09/14/2016 1:19:31 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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