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Don’t Blame Johnson, Stein—or Teddy!
Townhall.com ^ | September 17, 2016 | Daniel Ruddy

Posted on 09/17/2016 4:09:58 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: batterycommander
batterycommander wrote:

"If your mother is a Jew, then..."

"He’s got his mother’s honker."

Really? Wow! What's wrong with you dude? Missed some of your meds this morning?

21 posted on 09/17/2016 6:49:15 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron

Those German genes again. They reveal themselves from time to time.


22 posted on 09/17/2016 6:56:27 AM PDT by batterycommander (Surrounded? Stay clammed and call for artillery. USNA 65)
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To: Vaquero

It could be that Johnson could get so many votes in NM that he tips the Enchanted Ones to Trump, to their own horror.


23 posted on 09/17/2016 9:27:05 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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To: Theodore R.; AuH2ORepublican; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj

If there is any state where Johnson would take more GOP votes than rat, besides Utah, it would be his home State of New Mexico where he served as a Republican Governor.

Overall, he seems to be pulling pretty evenly. Exit polling of his voters 2nd choice will be interesting.


24 posted on 09/18/2016 12:40:25 AM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery, Never Schumer, Never Pelosi)
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To: Kaslin; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; campaignPete R-CT; Arthur Wildfire! March; ...
In all likelihood Woodrow Wilson would have won the presidency in 1912 even if Roosevelt had not been on the ballot

I disagree, Wilson got fewer votes than Taft's 1908 opponent WJ Bryan, Taft almost certainly would have won sans TR's indie bid, unless the socialist Debs also didn't run. FU Teddy. The author overstates "progressive Republican antipathy" to Taft. TR's personal popularity is what pulled away the majority of GOP voters.

And Nader absolutely did cost Gore the White House and Stein could well cost Clinton. When you lose a very close election you can point to any number of reasons that would have made the difference and Nader certainly was one for Gore. If were a democrat, I'd loate Nader and eternally curse his name.

I think Clinton would have still narrowly won in both 1992 and 1996 sans Perot, but it would have close and certainly there would have been a good chance for GOP victory.

I'll name a third party candidate those of you who aren't geeks have never heard of, James Franklin "Frank" Hanley, the Prohibition Party nominee in 1916. He got almost 28,000 votes in Cali, Wilson won that state's decisive evotes by a fraudulent margin of less than 4 k. I couldn't tell you for sure how those votes would have broken down if Hanley wasn't an option (the major parties were trying to stay neutral on the issue I think) but Hughes making up such a small deficit, certainly possible if not likely. Hanley had been the Republican Governor of Indiana.

So yes, third party candidates can and have altered election outcomes and it's perfectly proper to blame them if you didn't like the outcome.

Jill Stein should avoid small planes.

25 posted on 09/18/2016 12:52:26 AM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery, Never Schumer, Never Pelosi)
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Good point about Hanley. I have not heard of him. You have heard I am sure of Hughes and Hiram Johnson not meeting when the two were in the same hotel, maybe in San Francisco. Apparently, they didn’t know the other was there, and it was not a stub as many Wilson boosters tried to claim.


26 posted on 09/18/2016 8:49:18 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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If were a democrat, I'd loate Nader and eternally curse his name

That's what the popular James Carville does: does not allow Nader's name uttered in Carville's presence.

27 posted on 09/18/2016 8:50:40 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, 2016)
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To: Theodore R.; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj

Yes. That makes sense, Hughes was a smart man and not at all hostile to progressives, reuniting the party was practically the theme of the campaign, so I doubt he would have snubbed Johnson. The papers probably pulled that notion out of their behinds.

I misspelled Hanly’s (no “e”) BTW.


28 posted on 09/18/2016 4:23:47 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery, Never Schumer, Never Pelosi)
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