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Russia 'to revive the KGB' after Putin wins biggest majority
Telegraph (UK) ^ | 19 September 2016 • 3:39PM | Marc Bennetts

Posted on 09/19/2016 8:56:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: EagleUSA

At this point I can’t say I feel sorry for Russians. Its on them now. They put this tyrant back in power, so as all foreign investment dries up and they end up out of work, they can blame themselves. And I hope to hell the IMF, World Bank and the US do not come riding to their rescue.


41 posted on 09/20/2016 1:54:29 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: goldstategop

He plays the “them and us” card perfectly. He unifies the people against the Great Satan, the US, and he was very smart to get the Orthodox Church on his side (scratch their back and they scratch his).


42 posted on 09/20/2016 1:55:56 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: ETL

Unlike Nazi Germany, none of the emblems of Russia’s totalitarian past have ever been dismantled. That has to tell you something.


43 posted on 09/20/2016 1:57:52 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Olog-hai

Chomsky must be delighted.


44 posted on 09/20/2016 1:59:05 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Talisker

I think in secret many in the left in the US are smiling as well.


45 posted on 09/20/2016 2:02:35 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Yaelle
How checks and balances worked in the Evil Empire, by "Victor Suvorov", a GRU officer who defected to the UK in 1978:

So one should not be in a hurry to bury the Soviet regime. It is still, fairly firmly, on its feet. There are several reasons for its stability-the scores of millions of corpses within its foundations, disinterested Western help, the reluctance of the free world to defend its own freedom. But there is one other most important factor which gives the Soviet regime its internal stability-the triangular structure of the state.

Only three forces are active in the Soviet political arena-the Party, the Army and the KGB. Each of these possesses enormous power, but this is exceeded by the combined strength of the other two. Each has its own secret organisation, which is capable of reaching into hostile countries and monitoring developments there. The Party has its Control Commission-a secret organisation which has almost as much influence inside the country as the KGB. The KGB is a grouping of many different secret departments, some of which keep an eye on the Party. The Army has its own secret service-the GRU-the most effective military intelligence service in the world.

Each of these three forces is hostile to the others and has certain, not unreasonable pretensions to absolute power but its initiatives will always fail in the face of the combined opposition of the other two.

Of the three, the Party has the smallest resources for self-defence in open conflict. But it has a strong lever at its disposal-the appointment and posting of all officials. Every general in the Army and every colonel in the KGB takes up his post and is promoted or demoted only with the approval of the Administrative Department of the Central Committee of the Party. In addition, the Party controls all propaganda and ideological work and it is always the Party which decides what constitutes true Marxism and what represents a deviation from its general line. Marxism can be used as an additional weapon when it becomes necessary to dismiss an unwanted official from the KGB, the Army or even the Party. The Party's right to nominate and promote individuals is supported by both the Army and the KGB. If the Party were to lose this privilege to the KGB, the Army would be in mortal danger. If the Army took it over, the KGB would be in an equally dangerous situation. For this reason, neither of them objects to the Party's privilege-and it is this privilege which makes the Party the most influential member of the triumvirate.

The KGB is the craftiest member of this troika. It is able, whenever it wishes, to recruit a party or a military leader as its agent: if the official refuses he can be destroyed by a compromise operation devised by the KGB. The Party remembers, only too clearly, how the KGB's predecessor was able to destroy the entire Central Committee during the course of a single year. The Army, for its part, remembers how, within the space of two months, the same organisation was able to annihilate all its generals. However, the secret power of the KGB and its cunning are its weakness as well as its strength. Both the Party and the Army have a deep fear of the KGB and for this reason they keep a very close eye on the behaviour of its leaders, changing them quickly and decisively, if this becomes necessary.

The Army is potentially the most powerful of the three and therefore it has the fewest rights. The Party and the KGB know very well that, if Communism should collapse, they will be shot by their own countrymen, but that this will not happen to the Army. The Party and the KGB acknowledge the might of the Army. Without it their policies could not be carried out, either at home or abroad. The Party and the KGB keep the Army at a careful distance, rather as two hunters might control a captured leopard with chains, from two different sides. The tautness of this chain is felt even at regimental and battalion level. The Party has a political Commissar in every detachment and the KGB a Special Department.

Excerpted from here.
46 posted on 09/20/2016 3:11:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DoughtyOne

#9. What the “Russian people” want is irrelevant in a Marxist-Criminal Russia, led by eternal KGB thugs in league with the Russia Mafia.

Russia is NOT Kansas, Toto.


47 posted on 09/20/2016 3:19:32 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Sam Gamgee

Yes, and we have a tyrant too. Sad. Well, the world should leave Putin to his own problems. Putin needs money — he should earn it the old fashioned way. Capitalism and some freedoms. How many times does communism have to fall before they get the message??


48 posted on 09/20/2016 3:42:04 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Olog-hai
“What do the communists declare as their primary enemy? Christianity.”

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That is because True Biblical Christianity is freedom.

Communism is it's own cult-style belief system. Pootie is a rabid follower. It is slavery with corrupt and evil individuals at the controls to lord over their underlings. Putin has never gotten over his Soviet brainwashing and now he is compelled to reinvent it in his image.

He has already started an attempt to remove the Gospel from being preached.

9/15/16 “A New Russian Law Targets Evangelicals and Other ‘Foreign’ Religions”

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-russia-foreign-religion-crackdown-498551

49 posted on 09/20/2016 4:20:19 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I agree. Did you see Solzenitzen’s old comment on the forum yesterday?

I don’t remember it word for word, but he seemed to think these organizations existed in Russia because the people didn’t care and allowed it.

I have no idea how he thought they could stop it.


50 posted on 09/20/2016 4:40:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Forty-nine days until we take measures to end this nightmare. Trump, for the Free World...)
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To: DoughtyOne

Missed the Solzhenitzyn quote but he had a good understanding of the Russian people and how the intellectual and moral life had been squeezed out of them, first by the Czars and then by the Communists.

They were worn into submission and never really figured how to get their freedom. That is why alcoholism shot through the roof. Alcohol was the refuge from Communism and their bleak existence under it.

It was mainly the literary intellectuals who spoke out, through their writings, against the system, i.e. the original “Rage Against the Machine” movement in a 20th century country.

If you have a monopoly on “force”, you win. It is only when the military turn against the regime is there a chance to overthrow a communist government as they tried to do in Hungary, 1956 and successfully in Romania in the late 1980’s.

Other Soviet bloc countries regained some semblance of freedom when the Soviet Union collapsed and its military was significantly withdrawn from the occupied countries.
Even then, Soviet military presence in Ukraine and possibly Latvia or Lithuania (one has a Soviet base), remain daggers in the heart of real freedom.


51 posted on 09/20/2016 5:39:20 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Those comments sound reasoned. I agree with your thoughts.


52 posted on 09/20/2016 7:20:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Forty-nine days until we take measures to end this nightmare. Trump, for the Free World...)
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To: Olog-hai; Sam Gamgee; 1rudeboy

Strange, isn’t it? None of the regular Putinista low lives showed up on this thread to defend their hero. They usually appear like roaches.


53 posted on 09/21/2016 12:50:53 AM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: ETL

They’re sleeping another one off. Or, it might be a Russian holiday of some kind. In any case, they remain relatively quiet unless Vladi invades another defenseless country. So we have that going for us . . . maybe nothing is in the works.


54 posted on 09/21/2016 1:52:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Olog-hai
I'll never trust the Russians as long as I live, and I wish Trump would exercise a little more skepticism about Vlad the Impaler.

Russia is no more socially conservative than any other Communist state (Cuba, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Venezuela). Why we have conservatives cheering for Russia while condemning the others is beyond me.

One might as well sing the praises of Castro or Chavez as Putin.

55 posted on 09/21/2016 10:02:02 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Sof davar hakol nishma`; 'et-ha'Eloqim yera' ve'et-mitzvotayv shemor, ki-zeh kol-ha'adam.)
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To: EagleUSA
I do feel sorry for Estonia, Latvia, Poland ect, because Putin can really make their life horrible controlling all that natural gas. The more desperate Russia gets in the future facing a demographic death spiral the more pain it may inflict.
56 posted on 09/21/2016 12:40:26 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: ETL

Yes, I don’t quite get them. Yes, I understand we have our own problems, but lets not be fooled by the KGB.


57 posted on 09/21/2016 12:41:52 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: 444Flyer; Olog-hai; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Yet Russia has a flat tax, if I’m not mistaken. Real Marxists believe in progressive taxation. Putin is a authoritarian statist, but I don’t think he’s really Marxist anymore (if he ever was)


58 posted on 09/21/2016 3:40:13 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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To: Jacob Kell

#58. What you are saying is that Putin is “A Marxist in Name Only” but is really just a “Thug Crook in a Suit”.

Can’t argue with that.


59 posted on 09/21/2016 4:00:45 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I’m saying that Putin is not a Marxist anymore, just a statist crook and despot.


60 posted on 09/21/2016 4:03:03 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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