Posted on 09/21/2016 7:52:55 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
‘Who paid that kind of money to get ICANN’s internet “transition” passed???’
ICANN makes good money — $600 million in the past three years through fees. For all I know there could be federal funding on top, and there could also be under-the-table contributions and informal money to them.
China was helping ICANN out in all manner of ways [note earlier post] which was one reason why Cruz Lankford and Mike Lee were sending them open letter questions. ICANN stalled them for answers BTW.
Yes, I didn’t think of what they’ve done already. But they could make it worse and with Google’s help make it more difficult to find anything useful.
Yeesh, what a mess. Thanks for the list.
The first sentence is true. I don't think the second sentence follows. They collect the fee and do basically nothing. The TLD registrars run the DNS for their domains, but they do it through the root servers:
https://www.iana.org/domains/root/servers It would be hard for ICANN to muck with the root servers, but I'm not sure about their business relationship. Probably something like a peering arrangement.
“The first sentence is true. I don’t think the second sentence follows. They collect the fee and do basically nothing.”
The fees require a database of all domain names.
And the Swedish plan assumes that individual domain names are affected.
Secondly, I can’t imagine Sessions and Grassley and Gohmert being overly concerned about a minor shift in domain names:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3394704/posts
They plan on ICANN specifically being used to ‘oversee’ the internet. For example, a fine for ‘hate speech’. Collecting a fee? Well, that fee could be a million dollars a month or more.
Please note the testimony of Paul Rosenzweig — I wrote summaries of it and link to it directly.
Final point — ICANN has multiple branches. One such branch processes the IP address — the number code of each domain name.
The Address Supporting Organization (ASO) deals with policy making on IP addresses.
IANA (part of ICANN) does top level domains and they delegate the rest. Basically it is flat out impossible to have one database with all names and DNS assignments. Further, the majority of domains have no unique IP address, the DNS points to a shared IP.
The bottom line is when I alter my DNS setting at godaddy the setting goes into their DNS server which propagates to others. If ICANN / IANA wanted to cut off godaddy they would have to convince the 13 different root servers to go along. That won't happen.
So ICANN cannot stop people from lookup up my domain and getting to my shared or unique IP. Nor can they stop godaddy from providing that service to me. What they can do is collude with google or any other unscrupulous company to limit traffic to my site in various ways. They probably have many ways to promote spam sites over real sites for profit, but outright censorship is just not feasible.
Thank you for the time.
What happens if two entities are registered with the same domain name/IP address?
What is the safeguard?
The reason I ask that is because I’m assuming there’s a ‘Big Ben’.
Back during the Steam Age everyone referred to the city’s big clock to set their pocket watches. London’s big clock had a name: Big Ben.
Not hard at all for software to ID differences in the sites and ask the user. Straightforward nefarious spoofing is trickier though.
You’ve been making me reach and clearing things up. Thank you.
Okay, each .[blank] [such as .com] is run by a registry via ICANN’s permission.
ICANN’s delegation process:
Registry Operator Code of Conduct.
That can be modified after Sept 30.
So long as Obama controls the Justice Department, ICANN has full legal authority over all registries. So this IS a serious matter.
After Obama leaves office? Other nations can still keep ICANN as their legal overseer and link up with China as the hub. [China already has the infrastructure in place.]
Thus, if Trump doesn’t get along with their ‘hate speech’ suppression — cyberwar due to an international dispute.
We could even end up needing a firewall from nations that defer to ICANN.
For IP addresses it is a lower level routing function. Like I said, the vast majority of domains have no unique IP or no IP whatsoever. To change that a domain owner logs into their registrar's website and then that website allows them to change their DNS settings to point to whatever IP they want. I can send any of my domains to any IP address that I feel like. What will happen on the other end depends on the SW on the other end.
A webserver will typically look at the incoming domain name and respond appropriately (with nothing in my case). But I should try pointing one of my domains to a google or bing address to see what happens.
Many many domains are pointed to single IPs which are running web servers configured to look at the incoming domain name (your browser always sends that along in the request). Then they look up the appropriate page for that domain name. That's how most ordinary people with domains can run their 10 or 100 or 10,000 domains all on one server with one IP. They might even share that server with other people with other domains. I do that at dreamhost.
I also have various servers at linode and digital ocean that each have their own IPV4 assigned and my domain on those hosts is the only one tied to that host. I have others with no domain tied to it and I access those via the IP address.
Urg ...
I goofed up on an important word up above.
Obama’s Justice Department could accomodate defacto authority so that ICANN can accomodate the UN’s directives against hate speech.
Since that is treaty-based, many federal justices would claim their hands are tied — out of their jurisdiction.
It would be a comfort being if we can change our IP addresses — a ‘bunch’ of numbers which you can type into the box instead of a web address.
I hope you are right about that.
But when ICANN coordinates with a tyrannical regime [such as Obama’s or Hillary’s], that backdoor option could be closed through altering the Registry Operator Code of Conduct
If they did that to me, the first thing I would do is get a very high priced lawyer and advertising firm to get my IP address out to the public. Or if I were not wealthy (that's basically my case) I would take to the broader internet and get people to link to my IP. Then my server provider could try to cut off my IP.
Unlikely, but suppose they did. Next step is to put my content on my dreamhost server and get people to link to that. Then I might get kicked off of that (unlikely). Let's say that happens. Next I would get on some server in the Netherlands or somewhere that never kicks anyone off. Granted I would be in unsavory company but it is extremely unlikely that my account and content would be erased from that server. I can do all of that without my "banned" domain by using some other domain, or more like a subdomain where the domain owner allows unlimited subdomains, or just using IP addresses.
Thank you, Palmer. You cleared things up.
[Sigh of relief.]
Yes, Trump can easily fix this so far as the US websites go.
It’s still going to be one heck of a mess.
I have at least 1/2 dozen unique IPV4 addresses that I control directly. Anyone can type those into their browser and see my content. Inconvenient obviously, especially if nobody knows those addresses. That’s the whole point of DNS.
So basically, their tyranny would backfire on them and people in the US would be reminded how important free speech is.
Thank God!
It could end up a gigantic mess until Trump is sworn in. And other regimes overseas will find their online freedom demolished.
But if Hillary wins? She has her internet gatekeeper here in the US.
Other posters should learn from your example, Palmer.
In a way you were right — I overestimated ICANN’s technical power.
Their power is merely legal. So here in the US Trump can put a top to a lot of problems.
But that only affects governments which respect free speech.
But if a tyrannical regime wants to destroy free speech, ICANN can adjust its ‘Registry Operator Code of Conduct’ in coordination with a China-based hub.
For example, the UN could tell ICANN to alter those codes of conduct. The US, Panama, and other nations could ignore the UN, but ICANN might do what the UN tells it to.
‘Trump can put a top to a lot of problems.’
What’s that idiot talking about? Put a top?
He needs sleep: “put a stop”.
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