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To: DoughtyOne

No one has invaded anyone...yet. Obama is behind the Ukraine civil war.

Russia’s actions are a reaction to what Obama is doing first. Russia invading the Crimea is a reaction to what Obama is doing in the Ukraine.

China and Russia have always been allies with times where they were not.

Obama started the Arab Spring, he started ISIS, he provides arms and training to them and the ‘moderate’ rebel beheaders in Syria. Obama started the crap going on in the Ukraine. He’s encouraging the Black Lives Matter to riot. This guy is freaking evil.


16 posted on 09/25/2016 2:16:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
No one has invaded anyone...yet

Russia has had fatalities inside the Ukraine. I'd say that is evidence of an invasion.

A the same time Russia invaded Crimea. If he hadn't, you might be able to get that to stick. You can't now.

Russia invaded. It crossed the border with a neighbor nation and invaded. It even backed up it's actions by saying it was trying to protect Russian speaking people form the Ukrainian government.

Obama is behind the Ukraine civil war.

Some people wanted to remain major trading partners with Russia. Others wanted to trade with Europe. This wasn't solely NATO related. There was an economic component to all this too.

Russia’s actions are a reaction to what Obama is doing first. Russia invading the Crimea is a reaction to what Obama is doing in the Ukraine.

I don't see it that way. Some of you folks have this fantasy in your head that Putin was the leader we needed, and everyone else saw it wrong. You can't just invade your neighbors. Look at the reasons we have to invade Mexico and get it under control. It's far more of a threat to us than the Ukraine is to Russia, and all on it's own.

China and Russia have always been allies with times where they were not.

If Putin was as astute as some folks think he is, he could confront China for occupying the Eastern party of his nation. China has aspirations for Eastern Russ, and Russia seems in a coma on that point. The Chinese are moving into Eastern China like Mexico has our Western states. So Putin chums it up with people invading his nation.

I thought this guy was a nationalist, loved Russia, wanted to protect it.

He wets his pants because the Ukraine makes a choice that was up to it, not invading or threatening to invade Russia, then China actually does execute a slow occupation of Russian territory, and Putin not only does nothing, but kisses the ass of China's leadership.

Obama started the Arab Spring, he started ISIS, he provides arms and training to them and the ‘moderate’ rebel beheaders in Syria.

Obama didn't start the Arab Spring. He was quick to jump in with support, guns and funding. That was just pure ignorance, but he had cover with McCain/Graham/Clinton...

He was on the wrong side before Syria, and then armed and funded al Qaeda there. I think you have a much better claim with the creation of ISIS, compounded with his abandonment of Iraq leaving a vacuum.

I agree with your description there.

Obama started the crap going on in the Ukraine.

Russia wanted the Ukraine to realign with it. Some in the Ukraine remembered the U.S.S.R. days and objected. They also wanted to do business with the E. U. They wanted to be Westernized more than a return to the Eastern block days.

Some of the citizens in the Eastern nations of Europe have an affinity for the U. S. They don't so much for Russia. Some do of course.

He’s encouraging the Black Lives Matter to riot.

Yes he is. He is a traitor and an evil fifth columnist.

This guy is freaking evil.

I agree. He is both stupid and conniving. He's unfit to be our leader. He has destabilized this nation as much or more than the McGovern clan from the 60s and 70s.

The U.S.S.R. drove that effort and George Soros is the driving effort behind the domestic terrorism and traitorous acts today.

I believe that it is imperative for Trump to meet with Putin in the next six months to a year. I would send feelers before that.

I would be careful not to convey weakness, but I would address concerns of Putin, and see if I couldn't let him know that we have no intention of going up against his nation.

I would tell him we were willing to arrange a mutual draw down of confrontational moves, with a goal of negotiating some form of mutual agreement with regard to the Ukraine as well.

Whether it is rational or not, Putin is shaken up by a perceived threat against him.

It would be wise for both parties to come together and build a closer relationship on the back of what has taken place. It can be done.

I think Trump is astute enough to do this sort of thing.

17 posted on 09/25/2016 2:46:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Forty-four days until we take measures to end this nightmare. Trump, for the Free World...)
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